Ramblings: It’s time to look differently at fantasy goalies (April 9)

Neil Parker

2016-04-08

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With scoring down, are you taking your goalies early enough in your fantasy hockey drafts?

 

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It is a tough act to follow up Cliffy. That was some high-level stuff the past two days.

Nonetheless, here we go …

 

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In the last two ramblings, I threw out tons of game reactions and hopefully some actionable fantasy advice, but with a Buffalo-Columbus tilt Friday, I wanted to run something by you.

And, I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

There is no fantasy intent in Dimitri Filipovic's recent article Why we need to redefine what makes a "good" offensive player. But the realities of scoring in this era of the National Hockey League should redefine how we approach fantasy drafts.

I've been playing fantasy hockey so long, that when I started, Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux were each sold twice in auctions, once each for their goals and a second time each for their assists.

If Patrick Kane were drafted/sold separately for his goals and assists this season, he would be a middle-round pick, at best, and he is the best point producer we have.

In rotisserie leagues and category based head-to-head formats, goals, assists and points are usually valued at a premium because there are so few of them occurring in the modern era. The number of 70-point scorers has dropped in each of the past three seasons, after all.

However, the number of players hitting the 40-point, 50-point and 60-point marks have remained relatively consistent. Clearly, grabbing one of those 70-point locks is critical to the foundation of your fantasy roster, right?

Maybe not …

Stealing a thought process from Chris Liss, if scoring is scarce, than it is scarce for everyone in your league, and therefore, you need less of it to be completive relative to your opponents.

Liss' analysis is focused on the steals category in fantasy baseball, but the overarching theme is perhaps even more applicable to offense in fantasy hockey because of the reality of the scenario highlighted with Gretzky and Lemieux in the late 80s and early 90s.

Even 10 years ago, when there was more scoring, your fantasy team needed more goals and assists to ensure it remained competitive, but that just isn't the case in 2015-16.

The drop off over the past 10 seasons is significantly less drastic in the 40-point, 50-point and even the 60-point tier than it is in the higher tiers, and while the amount of 50-goal, 40-goal and 30-goal scorers has been gashed dramatically, the number of 20-goal scorers has only dropped slightly.

Hammering this home, in 2014-15, 19 players hit 70 points and 15 players hit 30 goals. There were actually more 30-goal scorers this season and a few more guys (John Tavares, Nicklas Backstrom and Alex Ovechkin) could still hit 70 points and skew these numbers, but only eight skaters have back-to-back 70-point campaigns and only five skaters have consecutive 30-goal seasons.

The lack of year-to-year consistency means players are rising and dropping offensively at a high rate, and that volatility should raise at least modest concerns.

It should raise major concerns after this, though …

Just 12 goalies won 30 games in 2015-16, after 15 tenders hit the mark in 2014-15. The difference here is NINE goalies hit the 30-win mark in consecutive seasons: Braden Holtby, Jonathan Quick, Ben Bishop, Corey Crawford, Marc-Andre Fleury, Henrik Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Devan Dubnyk and Tuukka Rask.

What the list doesn't include is the good to excellent fantasy goalies that shared starts or played for weak teams this year: Cory Schneider, Brian Elliott, Frederik Andersen and John Gibson.

Martin Jones, Petr Mrazek, Roberto Luongo, Jake Allen and James Reimer have also all returned No. 1 (or fringe No. 1) goalie results for spurts this season, or in the case of Luongo and Jones, all season.

Because there are so many excellent goalies producing at a high level, you need more shares, and because there is more year-to-year consistency in net, we should value goalies higher.

Imagine going head-to-head against any collection of those three goalies with Cam Ward, Ryan Miller and Mike Condon. Better yet, take Holtby and two from the field against any three of the above. Maybe you squeak out ahead here and there in weekly formats, but over the course of a season, you're done. And that was cherry-picking the No. 1 fantasy goalie as your No. 1.

Goaltending is deep, but we shouldn't wait on goaltending because it is deep, we should invest early to make sure we're competitive and stocked with high-end goalies.

There is an assumption that you can stream goalies throughout the year and pin-point plus-matchups, but when you're relying on the waiver wire, you're also competing against the rest of your league for those favorable matchups, and you're also more susceptible to blow-up starts.

Streaming a goalie in a favorable matchup is a lot easier when you've got a ratio (Sv% and GAA) foundation laid down by Bishop and Holtby, for example. Because when your streamer allows four goals in winning fashion, it isn't nearly as harmful to your ratios, as it is when you other goalies are Ward and Miller, sticking with the examples.

Sure, when you invest early in your drafts on goalies you have to lean on hitting those upside skaters in the middle rounds. However, the replacement level among skaters is also much higher than in nets. Plus, more skaters are climbing up to and falling out of the elite tier. After the top four or five skaters, is there such thing as a safe bet for a top-10 scorer?

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This also means that riding the hot hand with your skaters is much easier than consistently chasing goaltending categories.

If you're in doubt, just look at the scoring data outlined in Filipovic's article.

Hit the comments, what are your thoughts?

 

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A quick disclaimer, remember this is fantasy baseball focused, but it has legitimacy for our iced game, too. Here is the snippet from Liss:

Ten to fifteen years ago, power used to be plentiful, and you had to have a lot of it to win, but you could wait on pitching. Now it’s the opposite. While this might seem counter-intuitive (doesn’t low supply = higher prices?), that’s only because people are confusing rotisserie baseball with a standard economy.

If food is scarce, and everyone needs food, it becomes pricey. But in roto, you are competing relative to everyone else. If food is scarce, so no one has much, then you don’t need much either to score decently in the “food” category. There’s not this requirement of having food to survive. You only need commodities relative to everyone else, not as an absolute good in itself. That means all those people paying up for steals because they’re scarce are making a mistake. The scarcity means you need less, not more to compete. With pitching it’s just the opposite.

 

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It wasn't long ago that drafting three running backs in the first three rounds of fantasy football drafts was dogma, and then the Zero-RB approach succeeded because it zigged where others zagged.

Fantasy sports are games, and we should always be looking for ways to improve our game play, and considering strategies and philosophies from other sports can't hurt, can it?

 

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Rapid-fire updates

 

Pittsburgh has nothing to play for Saturday, and head coach Mike Sullivan is still uncertain of his starting lineup.

Zach Parise and Thomas Vanek will not play Saturday.

Jason Spezza is expected to play Saturday.

Artem Anisimov, Andrew Shaw and Marian Hossa won't play after not traveling to play the Blue Jackets Saturday.

Mark Stone will not play Saturday.

Robby Fabbri will return to the starting lineup against Washington Saturday.

Mats Zuccarello is not going to play against Detroit Saturday.

 

Here is a Twitter list of the best NHL Beat Writers to keep tabs on the rest of the news Saturday.

 

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Thanks all, enjoy an action-packed Saturday on the ice and The Masters Sunday.

 

 

5 Comments

  1. Allan Phillips 2016-04-09 at 08:27

    This is very applicable to my main roto league, which is 12 teams, salary cap, auction drafting, with keepers. We play 9F-4D-2G, with 10 stats, 3 of which are goalie stats, and only 1 of the other 7 is non-scoring. To start with, simple math tells you that 13% of the players provide 30% of the stats, and with scarcity, goalies tend to go for big $ in the auction. Having two good goalies is essential for winning, and if you can get a high end starter for cheap, you should prioritize that. I don’t think a team has won in the last several years without being in the top 4 in goalie stats. Among forwards, almost anyone can have value in scoring, power plays or penalty minutes. By the end of the season, when most players have returned to their “normal” or long term average stats, we see a lot of convergence in the scoring categories. Those always wind up closely contested, and a few points here and there can win a championship at the end. It’s a rare occasion when someone runs away with this league. Three of the last four years, it’s boiled down to the games on the last day.

    • Neil Parker 2016-04-09 at 10:00

      So, if everyone is spending up for goalies, what would happen if you zigged? It appears your leaguemates already value them highly, so is another position being undervalued and providing an opportunity for you to gain an edge?

  2. Michael Clifford 2016-04-09 at 08:34

    I think there is something to this, but my issue is that a goalie’s stats are probably the most volatile of any position in the four major fantasy sports. Henrik Lundqvist, the most consistently elite goalie of this generation posted his seventh straight .920+ season, but also had the highest GAA of his career because the Rangers were so bad defensively; Ben Bishop could be in line for a Vezina after a league-average SV% last year. Also, the scarcity of elite scorers makes them more valuable. Among the top-24 goalies on ESPN there are names like Gibson, Greiss, Johnson, Reimer, Montoya, Murray, Neuvirth. I know what you mean about streaming, but if you need goaltending, and weren’t quick or on-the-ball enough to grab at least two of those guys, you aren’t paying close enough attention.
    I appreciate the sentiment, and the paradigms are always changing in fantasy, so it could very well be that I am off-base here. It’s just that goalies are so volatile, and so many of them become useful every year, that I’m not sure I’m on board.

    • Neil Parker 2016-04-09 at 09:51

      I would counter with highlighting John Tavares’ down year and Evgeny Kuznetsov’s breakout as an elite scorer being extremely similar to the Bishop and Lundqvist examples. Gostisbehere next to Greiss and Gibson. The point is looking critically at how we precevie value and where we can find advantages over our competition, though. It is likely easy to cherry-pick examples to support both sides, and it isn’t a who’s right debate. As the league changes our approaches to fantasy hockey should change, too. Maybe it is valuing elite defenseman higher that is actually the correct path.

      Thanks for reading, Mike.

       

    • steve laidlaw 2016-04-09 at 12:18

      My feeling has always been that how exactly you value goaltenders should be considered on a league-specific basis. Consider the Dobber Experts’ League format where we play rotisserie with Wins, Saves and GAA for goalie categories, while having six skater categories.

      Goalies make up a third of the league and two of the three categories are counting stats. If you don’t have elite goaltending you drown in this league because you’ll never make up the wins and saves gap without having starters who constantly see action. The value of the position is to the point where you are unlikely to find a Reimer or Montoya on the waiver wire at a time of need because everyone is keeping backups in tow to pad the counting stats.

      One more Experts’ League wrinkle is our games played limit, which we have set at 82 for every roster spot. We can start 4C, 4L, 4R, 6D and 2G. Filling the games played for skaters is relatively easy. Not so much for the goalie slots when the best starters only give you 65 appearances. This boosts the value of having depth at that position to help you maximize your potential in the counting stats.

      In H2H formats, the margins becoming thinner in goal probably weakens the value of elite goalies. Because of goalie volatility you could wind up losing any given week to any given team just because of some blips. Maybe that’s why you should strive to have two elite goalies so that your ass is covered come playoff time. And if you have two elite goalies you could then put most of your remaining energy to maximizing your skaters while knowing you can get more out of two guys than most teams are getting out of three.

      That, of course, assumes that you are in a league where obtaining two elite guys is even possible. My 24-team H2H salary cap league doesn’t allow much room for owning multiple goalies since we only start one per night. I had Elliott and Fleury this year, a tandem that gave me the best goaltending in the league but come H2H playoffs I stuck Elliott on IR and kept him there because there was more value in riding one goalie and having that extra roster spot dedicated to an extra skater. It didn’t end up working out as I missed out on two shutouts from Elliott during my conference final matchup. It may not have made a difference, however.

      The point is, in H2H formats, once you reach playoffs you are really at the mercy of the gods. There isn’t a large enough sample where having the best goalies guarantees you the best goalie performance. It’s how Sergei Bobrovsky has perennially been one of the best H2H playoff goalies despite mostly being just a league-average guy for the rest of the year.

      You can spend up for goaltending in H2H and that will certainly help get you to the playoffs but once there, all bets are off.

      I do wonder about a possible H2H strategy where you go goalie heavy early on to gain an advantage and then sell off for skater upgrades at the trade deadline and then focus on trying to pluck a hot goalie or two off the waiver wire come H2H playoffs since you know it’s going to come down to luck anyhow.

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