September 6 2015

Ian Gooding

2015-09-06

Mark Stone - USA Today Sports Images

News of the day, Fantasy Hockey Geek, and Stone vs. Scheifele

First, some news tidbits for the day:

I was remiss to mention Rich Peverley’s retirement announcement yesterday. Peverley missed all of the 2014-15 season after he collapsed on the bench late in the 2013-14 season. It’s good to see that his life is back to normal after what was a scary incident (NHL.com).

Is Dan Cleary a Red Wings lifer? It seems that way, as Cleary will be back for his 11th season with the Wings. He has long since provided any significant value to fantasy teams, though (NHL.com).

Remember when teams were salivating over Jonas Gustavsson, aka The Monster? He’ll be getting a tryout with the Bruins. Whether or not you believe in Tuukka Rask, you have to believe that he’ll start at least three-quarters of the time. So does it make much sense to keep Malcolm Subban around for a handful of games? But before you assume Gustavsson will make it as the backup goalie, keep in mind that the Bruins also have Jeremy Smith, who might be perfect for the backup job. The 26-year-old Smith posted a 2.05 GAA and .933 SV% in 39 games in the AHL last season.

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The Fantasy Hockey Geek is back just in time for back to school! You can read Terry Campkin’s first Geek of the Week piece for the 2015-16 season now. Be sure to spend a few minutes on this article, as there’s a ton of useful information. If you’re not familiar with the FHG (or simply, the Geek), it’s an awesome tool that recognizes that many leagues are created differently and that standard ranking systems often overlook these individual league nuances.

I had the pleasure of using the Geek on a trial basis about three years ago on my keeper salary cap league, and I can rightfully say it took me to the next level. Although I did not win that season (I lost in the semifinal to the eventual winner), it set me up for success as I was able to win the championship the following two seasons. Because this league has some unique scoring characteristics, it allowed me to rank players much differently than the usual ranking systems. That way, I knew which players to focus my attention on when placing my bids.

You can purchase the Fantasy Hockey Geek Draft Kit or at least find out more information about it here. Whether or not you decide to purchase it, here’s one piece of simple advice that I’ll give you before we bear down into our fantasy drafts: KNOW YOUR SCORING SYSTEM. Standard ranking systems will take you down the wrong path if you don’t understand this. I won’t get into that right now, since Terry already took care of that. But don’t be too cool for school to understand this.

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Today’s Ramblings fantasy hockey player comparison is a battle of the Marks: Mark Stone vs. Mark Scheifele. Both Marks were right wings on my keeper league salary cap team last season. I had to give significant raises to both in order to keep them, but so far I’m glad I have. Stone will remain as a RW on CBS, although Scheifele is now listed as a C on CBS. They also have the same position eligibilities on Yahoo.

Before we continue, I’ll let Rick keep the name “Cage Match” all to himself (with no more lawyer comments, I promise!) I like the name “Who’s Better in Fantasy Hockey,” in the spirit of the “Who’s Better?” articles of Stan Fischler that used to run in Hockey Digest back in the 1980s. There were some interesting choices for player comparisons in those articles, such as Dale Hawerchuk vs. Ron Francis, Mark Messier vs. Michel Goulet, and the ever-popular Wayne Gretzky vs. Bryan Trottier battle. (Believe it or not, Trottier won because he had more Stanley Cups at the time and was considered the better all-around player.)

Back to the modern-day players. You probably already have a choice picked out, but I have a feeling that this will be closer than you think. Also keep in mind that Scheifele is actually ranked a wee bit higher (126) than Stone (129) on Yahoo, which by itself makes a player comparison worthwhile.

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Both are in their early 20s, so the best is likely yet to come. Scheifele has two full seasons under his belt, while Stone has one. Below is the side-by-side comparison from 2014-15:

Scheifele: 82 GP, 15 G, 34 A, 49 PTS, +11, 13 PPP, 170 SOG, 18:35 TOI/G

Stone: 80 GP, 26 G, 38 A, 64 PTS, +21, 13 PPP, 157 SOG, 17:01 TOI/G

Something that jumps out at me as I type this is the fact that Stone outscored Scheifele by a significant margin in 2014-15. A margin of 11 goals and 15 points over the same number of games should on the surface suggest an oversight on the part of the Yahoo rankers. Stone wins. Thanks for coming out everyone, drive safely. Right?

Not so fast. Look more closely at the shot on goal totals from both players. Scheifele shot at a fairly low 8.8 percent rate in 2014-15, down from the 13 percent he shot in his rookie season of 2013-14. On the other, it almost seemed as if every puck Stone shot at times during his rookie season crossed the goal line, which showed in his 16.6 percent shooting rate. The month of April was particularly kind to Stone, where he scored seven goals on 24 shots in six games for a shooting percentage of nearly 30 percent over that span!

A closer look at Stone’s month-by-month splits shows that in spite of the April hot streak that seemed to elevate him to fantasy stardom, he remained relatively consistent throughout the season. From November on, Stone did not score fewer than three goals in any one month, and his monthly shooting percentage never fell below 11 percent. By comparison, Scheifele’s month-by-month shooting percentage varied between 4.2 percent and 12.5 percent.

Based on those numbers, we can conclude that Stone has the better shot and will score more goals as a result. The power-play points and shots on goal will probably end up as a dead heat. I believe the point total differences will be closer than you think, particularly if Scheifele lines up with two shooters like Blake Wheeler and Drew Stafford like he did toward the end of 2014-15 (Frozen Pool). But as a result, Scheifele’s point totals will once again be assist-heavy.

Take away Stone’s hot April and Stone is about a 22-goal and 60-point scorer. Don’t expect a whole lot more than that, which suggests that improving on 2014-15 will be a very tall order. Based on Scheifele’s point progression and possible shooting percentage improvement, 55 points is a strong possibility with an outside shot at 20 goals.

You might want to knock Scheifele down a peg (pardon the pun, I can’t help myself sometimes) if your league counts faceoff percentage. He has won only 42.6 percent of the faceoffs he has taken in his career. His 42.9 percent rating was the worst among the 54 players who took at least 1000 draws in 2014-15 (NHL.com).

So this comparison probably only confirmed what many of us figured all along: Stone is the better fantasy option than Scheifele. But not by as much as you might have thought originally. And hopefully this gave us the opportunity to learn something about both players.

Thanks for reading, and enjoy your Sunday.

16 Comments

  1. Peter Dallara 2015-09-06 at 08:24

    "and the ever-popular Wayne Gretzky vs. Bryan Trottier battle. (Believe it or not, Trottier won because he had more Stanley Cups at the time and was considered the better all-around player.)"

    Believe it or not? There is no question that Trottier was the better all-around player. He forechecked, backchecked, was way better defensively and didn't complain if someone breathed on him. All Gretzky did was score. Fischer's comparison had nothing to do with fantasy hockey but the actual game played on the ice.

    • Ian Gooding 2015-09-06 at 14:50

      Peter, I agree with you completely about Trottier. And I do realize Fischler's comparison wasn't fantasy-hockey based. What I meant by noting Trottier won the comparison is that this would be an argument that would be seldom heard today. It was made a lot more during the early to mid-1980s. Nowadays, everyone just assumes 99 is the GOAT.

  2. Marc Powers 2015-09-06 at 14:04

    The following comment is meant as constructive criticism: although there's plenty of content in the ramblings, they seem to have gone in the wrong direction. There should be a rule in which if you can't limit to max two small paragraph in between the asterisks… Then it should not be in the ramblings. It should be submitted to become an article. I use to read the ramblings religiously everyday and now… Unless it's written by Dobber I just ignore it. I don't mean the other writers don't deserve recognition… It's just that right now it seems only Dobber sticked with the ramblings as they use to be. Once in a while I read through one like this AM and find myself jumping over never ending items and realize there's not much of anything else. I'm looking for short, quick, direct and useful info when I read the ramblings. Again, nothing against the writers… Just the style.

    • Ian Gooding 2015-09-06 at 14:54

      Marc, I think you'll start to see shorter topics once the season starts, at least on my end. There isn't a whole lot happening in the offseason, which might explain the long paragraphs from more detailed analysis. I usually cover a fair number of short player hits and news with in-season Ramblings. They're not always down to two paragraphs, but they're definitely shorter.
       

      • Marc Powers 2015-09-07 at 11:23

        Ian, not a direct hit at you. Just implying that we should try to get another formula in for the non-news months… Hockey can't come fast enough! :)

  3. Brian Foster 2015-09-06 at 14:27

    Looking for a 2105-16 "Most NHL Games by Team per Week" chart.

    Link?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Ian Gooding 2015-09-06 at 15:41

      I found one at Daily Faceoff, although it's empty. Maybe they'll fill it in before the season starts?

      http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/nhl-gam…eek/2015/10/5/

      • Ian Gooding 2015-09-06 at 15:43

        It seemed to cut off the link here. I also responded to your question in the Forum.

  4. Big Ev 2015-09-06 at 14:56

    "Take way stones hot April"

     

    yeah why don't we just remove the hot streaks of every player then? It's a useless exercise. He had a hot April and you include that in the rest of his season stats. Fact is stone was a top 5 5v5 scoring forward since January and he was dominant once Dave Cameron came in as coach. He will score more than 60 points, I have him in the 65-70 range. 

    • Jeff 2015-09-06 at 22:29

      Any time a guy shoots north of 15%, that should raise a red flag for regression. Whether or not you want to include Stone's hot-streak, I'd expect him to shoot closer to 10% next year. On top of that, Ottawa had one of the best SVSP's in the league at 1012, with Stone hovering nearly 20 points above that mark. So, we're talking about one of the luckier players on what was already one of the luckiest teams in 2014-15. It's not to say that I think Stone is going to sink like his namesake, but statistically he is more likely than not to regress a bit. I'd guess that he flirts with 60 points in 2015-16.

  5. Chad Burly 2015-09-06 at 15:40

    Stone was playing amazing hockey right up to the point Subban took him out. He has the work ethic to keep on improving and i would not be surprised if he becomes the top forward on the sens for years to come, and maybe even a top ten player in the league. his takeaway numbers were amazing for such a young kid.

  6. JF Bessette 2015-09-06 at 16:13

    @marc powers

    When you turn on the news and theres nothing major to report (black mondays, killings, car jacking, traffic, etc), the station talk about meaningless crap and run stories that dont deserve an hour long analysis.

    Its the exact same thing here. When theres nothing much to report hockey wise, because these guys are still playing golf and taking time off with their families, well you throw a factual or hypothetical mini analysis.

    Perhaps the Ramblings, between July 1st and Sept 15, should be called ‘Summer Ramblings’ to avoid ambiguity as to what the product really is.

    I’m tired of reading these types of non’constructive’ criticizism.

    • Marc Powers 2015-09-07 at 11:20

      @jf bessette and @ben burns

      I understand there's a lack of info for the summer. Maybe a different formula could be used for summer. Maybe crossed over with Dobber prospect … I don't know. The reality is I'm not going to tell them how to manage the site…they're the pros. I support this site (yes I regurlary buy from this site) and as a customer I think I can give my opinions. As a business owner, I expect my customers to let me know when there's stuff they dislike or would like to see change for the better. That's why I called it constructive.. If they don't change anything… I'll still be a loyal customer. This was my first comment on this site/ramblings for this past year or 2… So I don't log in everyday to complain about everything and anything if you think that's the case.

  7. Ben Burns 2015-09-06 at 16:30

    I have to be honest here and offer my two cents that probably aren't worth much at all. I feel bad for the writers when I see comments of negativity only meant from either light critisism to downright harsh critisism. These guys are trying to offer something of any newsworthy note this time of year when there really isn't any sort of sniff of anything relevant in the fantasy hockey world and readers just offer up there discontent without a suggested replacement topic. Nobody really cares that Dan "11 games a year" Cleary signed with the Red Wings again. I'm not drafting him, the writer likely won't draft him and he'll Dobber likely won't draft him. He isn't even waiver fodder. But that is all we have right now in this sort of news world. Training camps are ramping up, preseason is around the corner, then we will see coverage galore.  So sit back and read or don't read but if you can't do it better just keep the crappy comments to yourself.  It's free content.  We all know by the time The Hockey News monthly magazine is on news stands you've already read all of the info printed in there on this site provided by this group of writers and it's all free. What's to complain about?

  8. Peter Dallara 2015-09-07 at 03:47

    Thanks Ian. I didn't mean to jump on you. I've been a hockey fan for a long time (Andy Bathgate is my all-time favorite player) and I get really annoyed when people call Gretzky the GOAT. When he played, Gretzky was the bread and butter of the NHL because of his scoring prowess and the refs wouldn't let defenders touch him.

  9. 99rules66isafatbum 2015-09-08 at 16:45

    Gretzky is the GOAT.  Nobody in any team sport even touches his dominance (Jordan isn't even statistically the best basketball player of all time, even though he is widely regarded as the GOAT)..  Can't believe the haters out there. 

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