Ramblings: Are the Red Wings the ‘new Canucks’? (July 27)
Dobber
2016-07-27
Rambling about the Red Wings – and I’m not very nice; Also the Rangers, the Kings, DeKeyser, Schenn and more…
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These are my last Ramblings before the 11th annual Fantasy Hockey Guide comes out. The Guide will be out on Monday at around 3pm Eastern Standard Time. I’m just polishing up the Pittsburgh Penguins as you read this, so I currently consider myself an expert on all things NHL for teams ‘A’ through ‘P’!
The Monday Ramblings will have an old friend back to guest-write: Steve Laidlaw.
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If Danny DeKeyser is worth six years, $30 million (i.e. $5 million per year), then I guess next year when Brent Burns’ contract comes up he’ll sign for 10 years at $500 million ($50 million per year). That’s the only way to properly pro-rate the DeKeyser contract.
Do you want to know why there is a lockout every time the CBA expires? This is why.
I was called out by a reader a number of weeks ago when I was caught saying about Matt Martin “he’s only overpaid by $500k”. And the reader was absolutely correct. And that just exemplifies the way all of us think! A player who is worth $1.2 million signs for $1.6 million and we don’t blink an eye. But someone worth $4.7 million signs for $5.6 million and we all go ballistic. I think DeKeyser is worth $3.25 million per season. This $5 million is way, way, way high. And I don’t care if the Wings bought out four years of his unrestricted free agency. I’d let him walk. Sign him for one year at $3.25 million, and then let him walk away next summer. The cost of this deal goes deeper than the mere $5 million. The Red Wings are way over the cap and trading Jimmy Howard won’t fix that (they still have to sign Petr Mrazek – who probably deserves that $5 million more than DeKeyser does, though I peg his value at about $4 million).
Do you know what I am starting to compare the Red Wings to? The Vancouver Canucks of three years ago (and look at them now). Now that was a team that was overpaying players $500,000 here, $1 million there. Times 23 players. It adds up. I still respect GM Ken Holland’s legacy, but he’s not adapting to the new reality. The old reality was – they have Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom. With that core you can slightly overpay the supporting cast (Kronwall, Draper, Holmstrom, Franzen, etc.) and you’ll have a competitive team. But here is the difference between then and now: then you had three Hall-of-Famers. These are A+ superstars. But now you have “potentially” B+ stars, but at the moment they’re just C+. Tomas Tatar is no Zetterberg. Zetterberg is no Zetterberg (anymore). Gustav Nyquist is no Datsyuk. Neither is Dylan Larkin. And DeKeyser is no Lidstrom. If you overpay the supporting cast around this new ‘lesser’ core, you’ll run your team into the ground.
GMs need to be reminded that it’s okay to say no once in a while and just walk away from a player. Even over $500,000.
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And I promise to try harder not to just ‘shrug’ when a role player signs for $500,000/year too much.
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Brayden Schenn’s contract was four years at $5.125 million per season. If we were talking straight up under-27 seasons, then I would suggest that he’s worth $4 million per season. But two of his years are UFA years, so I would value him at $4.8 million. So he is overpaid by $325,000 per season. Just my opinion but I don’t think I’m far off. The domino effect that happens here across the league is that each new RFA points to the latest contract as a comparable – and then pushes for a little bit more. If he doesn’t, then his agent sucks. This is what GMs need to be better at fighting. Say “No, you’re actually not better than so-and-so, your contract’s value should be slightly below his. Here is the offer, you can sign it in November if you’d like, we could use the cap savings while you sit on the couch and watch games on TV.”
Fans would hate me if I were GM of their team.
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Dobber for GM!
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Remember when I said that after analyzing the Anaheim Ducks, I wasn’t impressed with their team? Well, I have a couple more team observations to share.
The Los Angeles Kings suck. To be honest, they were never really great. A superstar defenseman, a superstar two-way forward, a star goalie, a budding star sniper, and a great second-line center. And a great coach. Then they filled the roster with slush (exception: Lucic, I’ll admit) and competed for the playoffs and won Cups. But they’re terrible. If they make the playoffs again, they should create a statue and a shrine in Darryl Sutter’s honor. Hey – maybe this goes back to my point about the Red Wings – just go with the three Hall-of-Fame players and have a ‘good enough’ supporting cast filling the right rolls. Except in the case of the Kings, the HoF players are just two – Kopitar and Doughty, compensated by better goaltending (Quick is better than Osgood was). But my impression of the Kings was not good. With any other coach I’d have them out of the postseason.
The Rangers don’t suck. Before tackling the Rangers, my opinion of them was on the decline. Henrik Lundqvist seems to be fading fast, Rick Nash is overrated (maybe not anymore) and the team just lacks ‘pop’. But after going over the roster with a fine-toothed comb I have to admit I was wrong. This is still a good team. Maybe not great and maybe still on the decline, but not nearly as bad as I thought. There are some very promising signs coming from their young players – from Chris Kreider to JT Miller to Mika Zibanejad. And Nash I think has now crossed the threshold and entered the ‘underrated’ section now. I had probably written him off when he’s still a 60- to 65-point player.
Anyway, food for thought.
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David Rundblad and the Chicago Blackhawks have “mutually agreed to part ways”, which is a nice way of saying they gave each other the finger. Rundblad was never anywhere close to the player that he was billed to be. But, he was a lot better than he is given credit for. Chicago never gave him a chance, and frankly Phoenix wasn’t so great with him either. I think with all highly-touted prospects you need to give them 10 real games, at minimum. I’m not talking about a game in which he gets seven minutes of ice time followed by another game two weeks later in which he gets nine minutes of ice time. I mean give him 10 games in a row at 17 minutes (for defensemen) or 15 minutes (for forwards), including power-play time. If that means that you lose an extra two games that season then so be it. In the case of Chicago, two more losses wouldn’t have killed them. And they could have made a proper evaluation a lot sooner. And who knows – maybe they would have discovered some intangibles. If all teams did this, then the cost (a couple of extra losses)/benefit (finding the odd gem you never would have found otherwise, to help you win games now and in the future) is worth it.
Other players who deserve this kind of treatment include: Jordan Weal (PHI), Stanislav Galiev (WAS).
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And I think we’re on the same topic when we discuss Petter Granberg. Will Predators give him some ice time this year? Not that he has fantasy value, just saying that if you have a player on your roster then give him a proper look. Anyway, Granberg signed a two-year, two-way contract.
The Preds still have an arbitration hearing set for August 4th for Calle Jarnkrok. By the way, I really like Jarnkrok’s outlook for the season ahead. He clicks with Ryan Johansen – enough said.
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Tampa Bay signed Vladislav Namestnikov to a two-year deal according to Craig Custance. The deal is worth $3.875 million (or just over $1.9 per season). In other words, if Detroit signed him it would be $4.5 million. That’s how I think I’ll discuss new contracts from now on: by providing the currency exchange in ‘Detroit dollars’. Anyway, I haven’t arrived at Tampa Bay yet in my Guide so I’m not fully educated on their situation and where Namestnikov slots in, so all I can give you is my guess that he sees more ice time on a scoring line and takes another step forward this year. He was up to 14 minutes per game last year and I’d be shocked if that didn’t top 15 minutes this season.
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Travis Yost takes an interesting look at shot blocking and whether it’s better for short-handed teams to set up in the zone for the purpose of blocking shots…or let goaltenders get clean looks at shots from a distance. He didn’t arrive at a conclusion, but I’d love to see more on this – and more on the benefits of shot-blocking in general. I’m anti-shot block for the simple fact that while you may save a goal for every 10 shots you block, you also sustain an injury for every XX shots you block (On average 100? 120?). And if you’re injured, how many games will your team lose if you’re out? And of those 10 shots you block and one goal you save – how often does that goal mean the difference between a win or a loss? Every 50 shots? So now we’re measuring how often your team wins when you block shots, versus how often they lose while you’re on the IR. There is data out there, I just don’t have the time to do it. It’s a huge project. But I would love to see my hypothesis (that shot-blocking is not good) proven correct.
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The DobberProspects 30 in 30 feature continues, taking a look at the St. Louis Blues prospects here.
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Unfortunately for the Wings, they have been trying to trade Howard without success. I am not sure there’s a buyer for Howard at that cap hit so the Wings are going to have to eat some of that cap (which I am sure they have already mentioned to any potential suitors) and even then, I think they will have issues finding a buyer.
I think the problem for Detroit was that there were too many passable free agent ‘tenders to justify acquiring an expensive option by spending assets. Once the season’s underway and some team’s backstopper injures himself you’ll probably see Howard moved to them. Something like Dubnyk a couple years ago.
So would you put a “sell” on Mrazek for this coming season? Quick too? “Buy” on Lundqvist?
With Namestnikov now signed TB currently has 50 players signed. The NHL league max with Kucherov & Nesterov still to sign. Very odd contract management. Unless I’ m mistaken Yzerman will need to move out in trade or mutually terminate 2 contracts to sign these last 2 players.
Disregard. Capfriendly now shows 46. 4 disappeared some how since yesterday.
“Dobber for GM!”
The Kings may not be an elite team anymore, but never? 2 Cups in 3 seasons is pretty elite by any reasonable estimation.
I agree. Put like that. But I don’t believe they were elite in either of those years. If they were, then someone would have picked them to actually win a Cup preseason. Instead, they surprised
Dobber I respect you lots. But two days ago you wrote the following sentence in your rant about lawyers and professionals in general:
“At the very least, hire one who knows the difference between “your” and “you’re.”
Today you wrote in the paragraph about Schenn:
“…you’re contract’s value should be slightly below his.”
Sure had me chuckling when I found this this lapse of yours – especially because I generally can feel your pain about the whole your/you’re, their/there/they’re thing (and I’m not even a native English speaker).
I hope this lets you still feel like a professional and you don’t discredit yourself too much now ;)
Thanks – I will fix. I take that stuff very seriously.
Difference – the lawyer’s post was edited by him several times. My post was written and published at 2am, no read-throughs. Generlaly I get it right the first time!
No worries. I didn’t even manage to write my last post without a typo (2x “this”). So measured on the huge amount of text that you guys produce within limited time, I’m in no position to judge you. I wouldn’t even have brought it up, had you not ranted about this very kind of mistake two days earlier :)
That Jarnkrok contract… so hot right now! (if what you say about his chemistry with Johansen pans out)
You stated Brayden Schenn is probably being overpaid by $325K per season taking into account UFA/RFA years. What is your opinion on Mike Hoffman’s contract then, fair value?
On a second note, the Mike Hoffman’s contract seems to me like it is set up to be traded, most likely next offseason. It has a NMC for this season, presumably to guarantee protection in the expansion draft, but that could be waived by Hoffman at the trade deadline if the Sens are out of the running and he agreed to move to a contender. More importantly though, it’s been reported that it changes from the NMC to a list of 10 “do not trade” locations for the remaining three years. With 31 teams next season, that leaves 20 possible trade partners, which is a lot. After one season, the contract will have that most desirable “3 year term” remaining.
Now those alone aren’t really indicative, but look at the year by year salary, $3.8MM, $5.65MM, $5.65M, $5.65MM. The Sens prefer to pay less, and the one NMC year is the lowest salary by far. It’s just shy of a 49% increase from year 1 to years 2 thru 4. I believe there is a rule as to how much a salary can increase by % from year to year, and this seems to push that limit in one year and not increase again. Another point, and one that was very recently supposedly “exploited” in the Brassard trade, bonus monies paid. Hoffman doesn’t have any reported bonuses in the contract meaning the Sens would not be on the hook for a bonus to a player they would be trading based on a trade finalizing after bonus day. This is a back end loaded contract.
The final point is, with expansion, teams are going to lose quality secondary scorers. Now I’m not suggesting MIke Hoffman is a secondary scorer, but rather, teams are going to be looking for another scorer, a lot of teams.
I expect Hoffman to play with Turris and Stone, and get his 25+ goals, and with Ryan playing with Brassard, not having to always play against the other team’s best players. I won’t call it showcasing, but it keeps his value.
Now having written all that, it’s still a possibility that Hoffman remains a Sen for the life of the contract, I’m just suggesting this is a contract the Sens could get out from under with less damage than previous contracts they wanted out from.
Rundblad was given plenty of opportunities in Chicago. While he has good wheels and looks the part, he consistently makes bad decisions which lead to prime scoring opportunities for the opponents. While TVR and Rosy are slow and boring, they are safe players. Anybody who watches the Blackhawks will tell you that Rundblad was terrible for the Blackhawks.
Dude – I agree he was terrible for them. But disagree he was given plenty of opportunities. Nine games last season? The season before that – just eight games with 17 or more minutes (and none of them in a row)? My statement was 10 games in a row, 17 minutes minimum. Then you can fairly say you’ve seen what he can do. Would he have been terrible if he was given consistent minutes like that and the coach was patient with him and worked with him? We’ll never know.
Again – I do agree he was terrible. That wasn’t my point. My point is a “what if” scenario. What if he was given the time and the minutes to work through his mistakes, even at the cost of an extra 3-4 losses for the team? We’ll never know
Hawk Nation is happy he is gone. NO ONE was clamoring for him to get a greater opportunity and more chances. The guy is 25 and not a rookie. He will be perfect in the Swiss league.
I agree with you there too. I wonder if you’re getting my point at all…
I’ll try again – ALL prospects who cost the team money (for development) and assets (to acquire), if they’ve earned the right for an NHL look – then give them one. Otherwise don’t bother. So Rundblad should either play zero minutes ever, or give him a fair look. Don’t half-ass it. Maybe he would have won you and the fans over. WE’LL NEVER KNOW.
And this isn’t exclusive to Rundblad. This happens with dozens of prospects with all teams every year.
To recap: Rundblad sucks. Chicago fans are glad he’s gone. This is the right move. But I wonder if he could have changed their mind if he was developed properly. Just wondering. Don’t frown on me for wondering.
Anyway, that’s enough from me. If you can’t get my point by now, you never will.
Hahaha, “Am I being not clear”?
lol
I get your point, Dobber but what you’re proposing is something that will never happen with any regularity. A team (and especially a team with Cup aspirations like the Hawks) will never put out a ‘maybe’ consistently when they can put out a safer option like TVR as Switzer mentioned. It’s a nice thought, but in the case of Rundblad specifically, it’s not like he had a real tough lineup to crack in Phoenix and he still wasn’t given much rope. But you’re right, we’ll never know.
It’s definitely a fairytale land. An alternate dimension. That’s just the way things work in pro sports, can’t give ‘the breaks’ to everyone, so many are bound to fail
What a bunch of garbage this is. How much Rundblad did you watch? You don’t exactly have a stellar track record when it comes to the Hawks.
Rundblad didn’t suffer from a lack of opportunity. What a ridiculous notion that is. He suffered from a lack of hockey IQ and ability to process the game. Some guys just can’t play at the highest level. Doesn’t matter how much opportunity they receive. I’ll trust the opinion of 3 NHL coaches who moved him over a sit-on-the-couch “fantasy” guru.
Still missing my point, even after two months of thinking about it.
Rundblad’s scouting report, 2009:
http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2009/6/6/900957/scouting-the-09-draft-david
(Note from director of European Scouting “he is a very smart player”)
And from Jarmo Kekalianen, who is now a GM:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/blues-opt-for-more-d-the-note-go-for-sweden/article_22f65e42-9e78-5279-9810-a356f3c97e13.html
” I think with his hockey sense and his hockey smarts, he’s going to be able to overcome most of the hurdles because he thinks the game so well. He’s always ahead of the game, his anticipation … he sees the game so well.”
Do you think that I give my opinion on players because of watching them? Like I’m a trained, pro scout? Nope – what I do is listen to what GMs and scouts say, and I remember. And I share. And I follow his career and keep listening and keep sharing.
If I were to provide my OWN opinion, I’d come up with something stupid like you just did – “lack of hockey IQ and ability to process the game”. No thanks, I’ll trust the pros and form an opinion that way.
IQ wasn’t his issue. Perhaps it was skating and/or aggression. But we’ll never know because of OPPORTUNITY.
Thanks again for coming out.
Good luck at the draft this year, and in your fantasy league.
LOL- I understand your point. I just give it absolutely no merit. He was given more than enough of an opportunity. The cream rises and he simply didn’t do anything with his opportunity. He’s a flop and apparently the rest of the league feels the same way. Maybe if you had watched him play you would have an opinion based on observation rather than reading what scouts wrote. Actually, Rundblad’s skating is very good and he is reasonably good at getting his shot through but he continued to be an absolute mess in his own end. And I don’t care what the European scout said in 2009, he made horrible decisions which led to prime scoring chances for his opponent EVERY GAME. You want to call my assessment “stupid”? What do you call it when a player has the tools but can’t put it together?
PS – the Swiss League is awesome. He’ll love it there
glad to read you have “come around” on the NYR Darryl.