Real or Imagined: Forwards Part Four – SJS, STL, VAN, WIN (2016)
Doran Libin
2016-12-27
Digging deep on forwards from SJS, STL, VAN and WIN. Are the trends for real?
The column this week will focus once again on forwards, and will be the final edition of the Real or Imagined series for this year. In the interest of expediency here is a brief list of the factors that go into the evaluation of the forwards in this column: shot quantity and quality, primary points, IPP, ice time, in general as well as on the power play and linemates. For more information on the criteria look at last week’s column.
The recommendations below are for this season only.
San Jose
|
Player |
GP |
TOI/G |
PP TOI % |
G |
A |
PPP |
SH% |
OSH% |
S/G |
SC/G |
Status |
|
34 |
19.80 |
63.2 |
12 |
20 |
12 |
10.34 |
10.24 |
3.5 |
1.79 |
Hold |
|
|
34 |
18.50 |
59.4 |
11 |
11 |
7 |
11.46 |
8.78 |
2.9 |
1.26 |
Hold/Soft Buy |
|
|
34 |
17.45 |
58.4 |
9 |
4 |
5 |
12.35 |
8.11 |
2.4 |
1.09 |
Hold/Soft Sell |
|
|
34 |
14.00 |
7.0 |
3 |
7 |
0 |
8.11 |
6.90 |
1.1 |
0.59 |
Hold |
|
|
34 |
14.67 |
34.0 |
2 |
4 |
1 |
5.00 |
5.56 |
1.2 |
0.76 |
Very Soft Buy |
|
|
34 |
19.05 |
64.4 |
2 |
21 |
9 |
5.71 |
9.02 |
1.0 |
0.29 |
Hold |
|
|
33 |
14.58 |
30.2 |
4 |
8 |
4 |
7.02 |
7.55 |
1.7 |
1.06 |
Hold |
|
|
32 |
15.83 |
12.5 |
2 |
7 |
0 |
5.00 |
6.96 |
1.3 |
0.78 |
Hold |
|
|
29 |
9.70 |
1.3 |
4 |
2 |
0 |
11.76 |
7.03 |
1.2 |
0.48 |
Hold |
|
|
27 |
11.95 |
2.2 |
3 |
4 |
0 |
13.64 |
7.50 |
0.8 |
0.44 |
Hold |
|
|
Kevin Labanc |
21 |
12.95 |
15.3 |
6 |
2 |
0 |
20.00 |
8.44 |
1.4 |
0.57 |
Gamble |
|
Micheal Haley |
21 |
7.95 |
0.8 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
0.00 |
7.04 |
0.6 |
0.29 |
Sell |
|
Tomas Hertl |
17 |
16.45 |
35.1 |
4 |
5 |
2 |
10.26 |
8.97 |
2.3 |
1.18 |
Buy |
|
16 |
12.20 |
2.0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0.00 |
4.88 |
1.5 |
0.38 |
Sell |
Joe Thornton’s shot rate is unusually low this year. It is almost two shots per 60 lower than it has been in any of the previous nine years. Similarly the Sharks’ expected goal rate is the lowest it has been in the last decade with him on the ice and the goal rate is almost as low. The good news is that it does not look to be effecting Joe Pavelski in any meaningful way. The bigger effect will be on the third member of the line, Tomas Hertl when healthy, as Thornton’s current severe aversion to shooting this year allows the opposition to sit on his passes even more than they otherwise would have. Pass-first is but fine pass-only is a problem. Yes, he still shoots more than Ribeiro but they each found a balance that worked for them and Thornton’s balance is askew.
The rest of the Sharks lineup is basically one big struggle to score. Mikkel Boedker is seemingly out to prove that he needs five minutes of power play time each game in order to make an impact in fantasy, there is not a lot to like there. Patrick Marleau is getting some serious power play time, as well as time with Thornton and Pavelski. He has not been able to produce. While he has looked better as of late, it probably stops when/if Hertl returns. Logan Couture is one of three Shark forwards who produces points on the power play. His even strength numbers are stellar and suggest a player capable of producing much closer to a point per game than he does currently. Joel Ward and Joonas Donskoi basically have the same rate stats that they did last year but have been bitten by the shooting percentage bug. They would get a better recommendation but with Ward having lost his power play time and both having been taken off of Couture’s line it is questionable how much some regression will help either of them. Watch Kevin Labanc as he is currently being given another shot with Couture, and has already had a shot along Thornton and Pavelski, if he sticks he could pay off to the tune of half a point per game. One last thing on the Sharks, Tommy Wingels is not nearly the multi-category beast he used to be
St Louis
|
Player |
GP |
TOI/G |
PP TOI % |
G |
A |
PPP |
SH% |
OSH% |
S/G |
SC/G |
Status |
|
35 |
18.25 |
58.1 |
16 |
22 |
14 |
11.99 |
12.74 |
3.6 |
1.17 |
Hold |
|
|
35 |
18.17 |
46.1 |
9 |
10 |
5 |
13.64 |
9.45 |
1.9 |
0.60 |
Hold |
|
|
35 |
15.20 |
21.9 |
5 |
6 |
1 |
8.47 |
6.50 |
1.7 |
0.71 |
Hold |
|
|
34 |
10.15 |
0.1 |
5 |
3 |
0 |
16.67 |
9.57 |
0.9 |
0.24 |
Sell |
|
|
34 |
19.95 |
51.3 |
7 |
10 |
6 |
13.21 |
8.50 |
1.6 |
0.82 |
Hold |
|
|
34 |
16.05 |
46.9 |
8 |
12 |
6 |
14.04 |
11.15 |
1.7 |
0.76 |
Hold |
|
|
33 |
7.70 |
0.6 |
2 |
4 |
0 |
8.00 |
9.65 |
0.8 |
0.30 |
Hold |
|
|
32 |
10.25 |
1.0 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
10.00 |
9.32 |
0.9 |
0.19 |
Sell |
|
|
31 |
19.33 |
50.4 |
12 |
9 |
4 |
16.00 |
9.52 |
2.4 |
1.29 |
Hold |
|
|
30 |
15.45 |
30.7 |
4 |
6 |
1 |
12.12 |
10.89 |
1.1 |
0.63 |
Hold |
|
|
29 |
11.60 |
7.8 |
1 |
6 |
0 |
3.12 |
7.55 |
1.1 |
0.41 |
Hold |
|
|
29 |
19.60 |
57.7 |
3 |
14 |
7 |
6.82 |
10.04 |
1.5 |
0.59 |
Hold |
|
|
21 |
10.30 |
4.1 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
17.65 |
8.18 |
0.8 |
0.43 |
Sell |
Vladimir Tarasenko is a stud, his scoring rate as well as his shot and scoring chance rate are all where they were the last few seasons, including his individual shooting percentage. No more need be written about him. Reaves is the only member of the fourth line worth owning, but only in multi-cat leagues. The rest of the lineup is exceedingly deep even though Yakupov has almost played himself in to Hitchcock’s doghouse. Dmitrij Jaskin provides multi-category value when he is in the lineup but that can be a little spotty and he does not get the usage to be truly useful in traditional leagues.
Alex Steen has been a volume shooter the last four years but has been halved this season. That means that regression will not be as helpful as it would have been in past years. The Blues as a whole have not produced much in the way off offense whenever Steen has been on the ice, that is partially because of low shooting percentages but neither the shots or the scoring chances have been there at all this season. Other than the Tarasenko line the Blues have produced little in the way of offense at even strength. The Blues have been saved to a large extent by their power play clicking to the tune of 6.12 goals per 60. While that is not as good as it has been in past seasons it is still a top-10 goal rate in the league on the power play. That means that other than Steen the best Blues to own are those that get the preponderance of the power play time. Finally, Berglund has been an unusually good multi-category value this year, which makes him a decent option.
Vancouver
|
Player |
GP |
TOI/G |
PP TOI % |
G |
A |
PPP |
SH% |
OSH% |
S/G |
SC/G |
Status |
|
35 |
19.55 |
63.3 |
7 |
15 |
7 |
17.50 |
9.17 |
1.1 |
0.57 |
Soft Sell |
|
|
35 |
17.40 |
36.2 |
10 |
11
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|
2 |
16.95 |
10.37 |
1.7 |
0.83 |
Soft Sell |
|
|
35 |
19.50 |
58.4 |
9 |
9 |
5 |
11.69 |
7.38 |
2.2 |
1.03 |
Soft Buy |
|
|
35 |
18.67 |
49.2 |
6 |
9 |
4 |
9.09 |
7.25 |
1.9 |
1.06 |
Soft Buy |
|
|
Markus Granlund |
35 |
16.75 |
35.3 |
7 |
7 |
3 |
12.07 |
7.61 |
1.7 |
0.77 |
Soft Buy |
|
35 |
18.70 |
61.5 |
10 |
12 |
7 |
10.75 |
9.17 |
2.7 |
1.06 |
Soft Sell |
|
|
32 |
15.08 |
32.5 |
7 |
10 |
2 |
12.07 |
9.69 |
1.8 |
0.84 |
Hold |
|
|
31 |
14.65 |
7.2 |
6 |
8 |
0 |
9.68 |
8.33 |
2.0 |
0.52 |
Soft Sell |
|
|
Brendan Gaunce |
30 |
8.45 |
1.1 |
0 |
4 |
0 |
0.00 |
6.25 |
0.7 |
0.17 |
Hold |
|
28 |
8.70 |
1.4 |
3 |
2 |
0 |
9.09 |
6.60 |
1.2 |
0.50 |
Hold |
|
|
23 |
10.30 |
1.7 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
0.00 |
6.86 |
0.7 |
0.43 |
Waive |
|
|
18 |
16.20 |
0.8 |
5 |
4 |
0 |
16.67 |
8.73 |
1.7 |
0.89 |
Hold |
|
|
18 |
9.70 |
13.1 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
16.67 |
7.04 |
1.0 |
0.44 |
Waive |
|
|
14 |
9.95 |
0.2 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
4.17 |
7.25 |
1.7 |
0.50 |
Waive |
|
|
10 |
10.15 |
2.9 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0.00 |
3.12 |
1.3 |
0.10 |
Waive |
The Canucks are basically a bottom-five team in the league, which is unusually good at generating scoring chances. In fact they generate scoring chances at a higher rate than the Minnesota Wild. That somewhat explains why their offense is actually a little better than many of their numbers would suggest. It also explains their high individual shooting percentages and their middle of the pack individual shooting percentages. The Canucks shoot very infrequently, so their ability to generate scoring chances means that their ratio of scoring chances to shots is a tier below the better offenses in the league. In that respect only is the Canucks offense any good, the other aspects of their offense more than offset that strength.
In two of the last three years the Sedins’ scoring rate has fallen in the second half of the season after pretty good starts to those seasons. The Sedins’ offense has started to fall off noticeably the last few seasons as a whole as their shot rate is down by four and their scoring chance rate down by one per 60 over the last four years. With the Sedins offense beginning to falter it means that they are not nearly the boost to their linemates that they once were. For example Jannik Hansen’s numbers this year were better with Brandon Sutter and Markus Granlund than they have been with the Sedins. The Sedins still form one of the better lines the Canucks have to offer but that is more about the inability to create offense of many of the other Canucks’ line options. Keep an eye on the Sutter-Granlund-Eriksson line as they average nearly three goals per 60 minutes and are not riding a completely crazy shooting percentage. All three are regulars on the Canucks’ power play, but only Sutter sees top unit minutes making him the prime target on the team. Conversely the Horvat-Baertschi-Burrows line has a similar goal rate but does not have the same likelihood of success as almost all their rate stats are much worse than the Sutter line. Baertschi makes for a decent option off that line as he sees time on the top power play unit. The boost he sees is limited though as the power play has been dismal thus far. Derek Dorsett, if he were not done for the season, Jack Skille and Brendan Gaunce provide some peripheral value but little else whereas Michael Chaput and Jayson Megna just provide little in general.
Winnipeg
|
Player |
GP |
TOI/G |
PP TOI % |
G |
A |
PPP |
SH% |
OSH% |
S/G |
SC/G |
Status |
|
36 |
17.70 |
51.0 |
9 |
20 |
5 |
10.98 |
10.63 |
2.3 |
0.78 |
Hold |
|
|
36 |
20.25 |
56.2 |
10 |
16 |
7 |
10.10 |
9.14 |
2.8 |
1.08 |
Hold |
|
|
36 |
15.80 |
33.1 |
7 |
2 |
3 |
14.58 |
7.26 |
1.3 |
1.17 |
Hold |
|
|
36 |
18.40 |
54.6 |
19 |
11 |
9 |
19.79 |
12.82 |
2.7 |
0.47 |
Hold/Soft Sell |
|
|
Brandon Tanev |
35 |
11.99 |
0.2 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
4.65 |
5.69 |
1.2 |
0.34 |
Hold |
|
33 |
20.40 |
59.1 |
14 |
17 |
6 |
17.72 |
11.62 |
2.4 |
1.42 |
Hold/Soft Sell |
|
|
29 |
7.99 |
1.4 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
15.79 |
5.06 |
0.7 |
0.17 |
Hold |
|
|
26 |
11.85 |
28.8 |
3 |
6 |
2 |
10.00 |
8.45 |
1.2 |
0.69 |
Gamble |
|
|
Andrew Copp |
25 |
12.2 |
2.1 |
4 |
3 |
0 |
13.33 |
8.18 |
1.2 |
0.40 |
Hold |
|
Alex Burmistrov |
23 |
11.05 |
2.7 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0.00 |
3.66 |
0.6 |
0.04 |
Sell |
|
22 |
16.15 |
47.1 |
2 |
5 |
1 |
4.44 |
6.93 |
2.0 |
0.86 |
Hard Buy |
|
|
21 |
14.45 |
23.3 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
3.03 |
5.80 |
1.6 |
0.29 |
Sell |
|
|
Kyle Connor |
19 |
12.30 |
22.6 |
1 |
3 |
2 |
4.76 |
5.83 |
1.1 |
0.42 |
Sell |
|
15 |
14.95 |
40.0 |
1 |
7 |
5 |
4.55 |
11.50 |
1.5 |
0.60 |
Gamble |
|
|
13 |
16.70 |
38.2 |
5 |
5 |
2 |
15.62 |
10.08 |
2.5 |
1.62 |
Hold |
|
|
Joel Armia |
11 |
14.50 |
24.8 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
5.26 |
7.59 |
1.7 |
1.00 |
Hold |
|
11 |
12.17 |
1.8 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
16.67 |
10.64 |
1.1 |
0.55 |
Sell |
With the return of Mathieu Perreault to the lineup the Jets now have two killer lines in Perreault-Bryan Little–Blake Wheeler and Mark Scheifele–Patrik Laine–Nikolaj Ehlers. The Little line has been dominant in limited action putting up 40 shots and 15 scoring chances per 60, thus their 3.37 goals per 60 actually means their shooting percentage has been lower than expected. For that reason Little’s 10 points in 13 games is not as crazy as it might be otherwise. The Scheifele line on the other hand is a massive defensive liability, and as such has seen some sheltered minutes. That line does much less in terms of bulk shooting, but a large percentage of their shots are scoring chances or relatively high danger shots. The problem is their current success is reliant on an on-ice shooting percentage of 22%. With the Jets largely going with two four forwards the power play units all six get power play time as well as Marko Dano and Nic Petan, when he is in the lineup. The Jets power play has yet to really click though so they are not necessarily seeing the rewards as of yet. Adam Lowry, Brandon Tanev and Chris Thorburn are multi-category depth options in the bottom six as opposed to Shawn Matthias and Drew Stafford who have generally needed better linemates to provide much value.
Check out Part One, Part Two and Part Three.
The statistics in this column came from Dobberhockey.com and Corsica.hockey
Finally, the plan was for this to be my last Wild West column before moving to another column but as it turns out this will be my last column on Dobberhockey as I am no longer able to devote the time that it needs and deserves. I started writing this column to learn more about analytics in hockey and get my foot in the door somewhere in the hockey community, and have succeeded to varying degrees in both respects. Hopefully, I have been able to provide some insight that helped with your hockey pools over the last two years.
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