The Contrarian – It Was Not Arbitrary

Demetri Fragopoulos

2016-07-03

Arbitration should be considered a major factor in P.K. Subban being traded.

Of the three events that occurred last Wednesday, only one was a true head scratcher.

No, it was not Steven Stamkos signing with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Despite everyone guessing that he was going to play for his hometown team or for big money, he ended up playing for a contender that has gone deep into the playoffs the last two seasons.

It was also not the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade. Sure I would have wanted more for Hall, but a comparable was the Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones deal.

The shocker was Shea Weber for P.K. Subban.

Many pundits slammed Marc Bergevin, GM of the Montreal Canadiens, for sending a dynamic and well-loved player out of town.

Was he moved because he is black? Was he moved because he was flashy, boisterous and enthusiastic? Did he have issues with management and other players on the team? These were all the questions that they were asking and inferring to.

Steve Simmons comes out and claims: “It is no accident that hockey fans in Montreal and in Canada are upset about the trade that sent Subban to the Nashville Predators for Shea Weber, barely for a second considering that some of hockey’s wisest men — Mike Babcock, Joel Quenneville, Steve Yzerman, Doug Armstrong, Ken Hitchcock — would probably make the same deal for Weber in a heartbeat.”

He later adds “[Weber] was named early to Team Canada for this September’s World Cup team and Subban was left off the roster. The fancy numbers favour Subban: The veteran eyeballs with championship pedigree prefer Weber.”

These wise men have to build a team for a few weeks not for seasons at a time. When they look at their real teams, would they pass up on Subban in preference for Weber?

The conclusion from Simmons is that “dull and team always seems to triumph over dash and individual.”

Nice try. I would like to introduce Mr. Simmons to Phil Kessel, Stanley Cup Winner. Maybe we could meet at a World Cup game and get acquainted over some beers and hot dogs. He too was not invited to play.

The Boston Globe’s Fluto Shinzawa wrote: “The truth of the Canadiens is that they were not very good, from their perpetual absence of a go-to center to the mish-mash Bergevin collected for his bottom six forwards to the unimaginative approach the dictatorial Therrien adopted on the bench while his team smoldered on the ice.”

I can believe portions of that statement, except that while Carey Price was healthy they were the team to beat in the Atlantic Division. Without better depth at centre they may not have gone very far in the playoffs, but they would have made the playoffs. The Atlantic was not very strong. Every team had their share of warts.

The mish-mash that included Alexander Semin, which was touted as a great low risk play, was a flop from the very start. Their recent signing of Alexander Radulov almost reminds me of exactly that.

Bergevin indicated to the Montreal Gazette, “I sat down with Alex and I also talked with Sergei Fedorov and Shea Weber and our scouts saw him play a lot. He’s a hard worker and he’s one of the most skilled players available in the draft, certainly the most skilled outside the NHL” and insisted that “This was the most aggressive I’ve ever been. There were some players who said they didn’t want to play in Montreal but there are others who want to play here.”

Hmmm, players do not want to play in Montreal. I wonder why?

Just before the New Year the Canadiens traded away Zack Kassian to Edmonton for Ben Scrivens. They needed help in goal, ahem, or more to the point they wanted to rid themselves of Kassian because of the accident he got into at the beginning of the season and his issues with substance abuse. They had just traded for Kassian five months earlier.

On January 15 they traded Jarred Tinordi as part of a package deal that brought them never to be used John Scott. At the time Bergevin hinted that there were reasons why this curious move was made. A few months later it was revealed that Tinordi would be suspended for 20 games for violating the Performance Enhancing Substances program.

I bring all this up because Montreal likes to get rid of their "trouble makers." Including guys that stand up for themselves. Guys who take them to arbitration.

In 2011, Josh Gorges stood up and after two years he was gone.

In 2012, it was Raphael Diaz but he was gone the next season.

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In 2013, Ryan White said he wanted more and he was shown the door also the next season.

In 2014, two players went to arbitration, Lars Eller and P.K. Subban, and both were traded this summer.

Funny enough, of the two trades that happened last Wednesday, three of the four players involved took their teams to arbitration (Subban, Weber and Larsson). Weber had the distinction of also being signed to an offer sheet.

It got me wondering how often does this occur and this is what I calculated for the 139 players that took this path (from 2010 onward):

14% were traded in the same year that they signed, 27% were traded the year after, another 17% were gone after two season, and 3% were sent to the minors or jumped ship to another league in Europe soon after.

All in all 57% of players that go to arbitration end up being dealt by the teams that signed with after two seasons.

Montreal was five for five but they were not alone. So too were the Edmonton Oilers, New Jersey Devils, New York Rangers, Ottawa Senators, St. Louis Blues and Toronto Maple Leafs. Each of them moved five players within those same parameters.

Which teams retained their talent best (not moved or moved after three or more seasons)? The Rangers (eight), Los Angeles Kings (six) and the Nashville Predators (five).

Almost all of the players that went to arbitration got salary increases and it did not matter if the increase was by millions or by tens of thousands of dollars.

Returning to Montreal, I cannot help see the similarities between them as they stand now and the Toronto Maple Leafs as they were a few years ago. They look like they are spitting into the wind only to have their spit land back on the feet, or worse, their faces.

They got bigger and grittier, hooray! Did they happen to notice how the Stanley Cup was won with speed and talent this year?

Did they fix their problem at centre? It took the Leafs a very long and painful time to get a handle on that predicament, and even now players still spurn them.

They did not try to adapt the rest of the team and tap into Subban’s energy for the game; instead, they stifled it. Worse, they tried to vilify Subban through the media over the course of the last year. But unlike the fans in Toronto, the ones in Montreal were not buying it.

Coach Michel Therrien said at the time he eliminated the triple low five celebrations, “We have to respect the game, we have to respect the other team and we have to respect the fans.” Nowhere in that did he ever say that he had to respect his players.

And that is why the deal that brought Shea Weber to Montreal and pushed Subban out to Nashville was not an arbitrary one.

What is in store for Subban in Nashville? I do not see him getting more than 60 points, but I can see him lifting the Stanley Cup. He has a better chance of doing it there than if he stayed in Montreal.

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13 Comments

  1. David Goodburn 2016-07-03 at 14:23

    Interesting stats. I might be mistaken but I think all arbitration eligible players are at most 2 years away from UFA status which might help explain the high trade percent numbers. If you didn’t want to pay their RFA salary you likely don’t want to pay their UFA salary

    • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 09:42

      I’m not sure of this, in fact I have my doubts. But if you are right then your conclusion here is also right.

  2. Sam 2016-07-03 at 19:35

    Demetri, Subban will never lift the Cup. And Montreal is way ahead of Nashville

    • Matt Vandenbrand 2016-07-04 at 00:08

      Share your drugs with the rest of the class.

      • Kar Yung Tom 2016-07-04 at 02:19

        100% agree.

      • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 09:41

        I think Montreal is ahead of Nashville. Rinne is horrible and won’t win a Cup. I wouldn’t say “way” ahead though.
        That being said – no sharing drugs here! ;)

    • Preston 2016-07-04 at 09:38

      Nashville is a top 10 team in the league and Montreal is bottom 10. There are very few experts, players, GM’s etc that would disagree with this.

      • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 09:40

        Wow, who are you listening to? Montreal was first in the NHL and then Price got hurt – or did you forget?
        LOL if people honestly feel this way then they’ll be fawning over the Habs this year over how much they improved (when in fact they didn’t improve very much, just Price got healthy)

        • John Koten 2016-07-04 at 15:52

          Dobber, sometimes I wonder about your objectivity when it comes to Canadian teams. That run at the beginning of the season wasn’t exactly a large sample size. Should we expect Anaheim to be bottom ten team next year, based on that same sample?

          • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 16:05

            A) You and 1000000s of others had Anaheim out of the playoffs when that same sample was actually in progress. I was alone on an island in saying that they can get back in it.
            B) I didn’t write this article
            C) I didn’t even post or edit this article.
            D) My objectivity is biased towards rebuilding teams if they’re doing it right. Nothing to do with Canadian. My current favorite teams are TOR, EDM, PIT, TBL – two from each country, not in that order.
            E) My point wasn’t that Montreal will be first in the NHL. It’s that – “hey, they were first in the NHL…don’t you think that maybe they’re not terrible?” Meaning – maybe they were actually 12th or 15th? So after being 15th, and adding Shaw/Radulov…logically, wouldn’t that bump them to 13th or 14th?

            They finished 22nd last season. Is my saying that they will move up from 22nd to 13th or 14th with Price/Radulov/Shaw being non-objective?

            Give a guy a break, man

          • John Koten 2016-07-04 at 17:47

            Sorry Dobber. I wasn’t trying to call you out. It’s just a thought that crosses my mind sometimes when I read the articles here. Is there a tendency to look at the Canadian teams with rosy colored glasses (particularly before the season begins)? Your comment reminded me because I don’t think that the Montreal is closer to winning a cup than Nashville.

          • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 19:59

            No problem, I get it a lot. I don’t see Rinne ever winning a Cup, so I struggle to believe Nashville is closer to it if they’ll never win one with Rinne. Whereas Price should win a Cup in his career, one would think.

            Right now all Canadian teams suck. So you see me rushing to their defense. Five years ago, only a couple of Canadian teams sucked so you would have seen me instead rush to the defense of more American teams.

            9-10 years ago I was constantly defending Pittsburgh and Chicago. Readers were hard on them like you wouldn’t believe.

          • Dobber 2016-07-04 at 16:11

            My main point is – if we’re not talking about an elite team (one of the five or six) and we’re not talking about a horrible team (one of the five or six), then of the 20 teams in the middle – I look at goaltending to decide which is closer to the Cup. I don’t think Rinne is in Price’s class. I’m not a Montreal fan, but their team is closer.

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