Ramblings: Draisaitl, Plekanec, Vlasic, Price’s Workload, and more (August 11)

Michael Clifford

2016-08-10

Looking at assist rates for Draisaitl, Plekanec, Jokinen, Vlasic, and other topics

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Watching a documentary on the James Bond franchise of movies and books a year or so ago, one thing that kind of stuck with me was something said by the daughter of famed Bond movie producer Albert Broccoli, Barbara Broccoli; to paraphrase, “when stuck coming up with new source material, return to the originals.”

In general, it’s pretty good advice in fantasy sports. Undeniably, the wealth of statistics and analysis is greater now than it ever has been, and in many ways, this newfound wealth has improved our understanding of the game, and by extension, helped owners improve their fantasy game.

Some areas are still lagging, though, and one piece or source material I always return to is this piece by Eric Tulsky – now with the Carolina Hurricanes – from 2011. It discusses the nature of secondary assists in the NHL. There have been additions to this – like earlier this year from FiveThirtyEight – but the basic premise remains the same: there is no real year-over-year correlation in secondary assists. In other words, outside of a very few cases, secondary assists are random, and are not reliable for projections.

With that in mind, it’s worth looking at players who had monster secondary assist totals or rates last year. These are guys that will almost certainly see a decline in this area, and without other mitigating factors like an individual assist percentage (IAP) increase or additional ice time, will undoubtedly see a decline in final assist totals.

Most of the following stats were taken from Hockey Analysis, and at five-on-five play.

Tomas Plekanec

Last year, Plekanec posted his highest single-season assist total (40) since 2009-2010. Going into his Age 34 season, that alone should be a red flag. He also had more second assists at five-on-five last year (15) than he did primary assists (14).

There are a few more issues compounding Plekanec’s problem, though. Given the ascendance of Alex Galchenyuk, Plekanec will be seeing a lot more second line ice time, and second unit power play time, than he did last year, particularly in the first half.

One of the mitigating factors I discussed was an increase in IAP, or the rate at which a player assists on goals scored while they are on the ice. Well, last year, Plekanec set a career high in IAP at 57.4-percent. For reference, he hadn’t been above 45-percent in any of the previous three seasons. So the likelihood of his IAP increasing, thus off-setting the loss of secondary assists, is unlikely.

In leagues that include faceoffs, Plekanec can still be a useful player. Given that he likely won’t exceed the ice time he was given last year with his second line role seemingly cemented, and his IAP not increasing next year, that assist total will come down. The decrease could be significant as well. Banking on more than 50 points is ill-advised.

Leon Draisaitl

Taylor Hall being traded to New Jersey will likely dampen Draisaitl’s average draft position come September. The fact that he put up over 50 points as a 20-year old, though, will mean a lot of drafters will have their eye on a shiny new toy.

There are reasons beyond assists to think Draisaitl will disappoint relative to expectations next year. That would depend on what those expectations are, exactly, but I have my doubts he’s a 60-point player in 2016-2017: his individual points percentage (IPP) was fifth among forwards with 1000 five-on-five minutes played, which is one sign of regression, and Hall no longer being with the Oilers is another huge issue.

More than all this, though, was the fact that Draisaitl had just 10 first assists last year, compared to 24 total assists. Many of the players in his range of first assists last year (Tyler Seguin, Steven Stamkos, Tomas Hertl, Vladimir Tarasenko, Sean Monahan, Brandon Saad, Tyler Toffoli) are primarily goal scorers anyway. I don’t think Draisaitl fits that profile.

Draisaitl played over 18 minutes a game last year, and with a healthy Connor McDavid and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in the lineup this year, I don’t see any significant increase in minutes. The IPP will go down, the secondary assist rate will go down, and Hall has a new team. There is a plethora of reasons to avoid drafting Draisaitl next year.

Jussi Jokinen

Tomas Plekanec set a six-year high in assists last year, while Jokinen set a career high in assists. One thing Jokinen did do for the first time since 2009-2010 was crack the 60-point plateau.

A little bit of a caveat here in that I think Jokinen is probably one of the most underrated players in the league. In fact, he’s one of 34 forwards with at least 120 goals and 220 assists since 2009 (from Hockey Reference’s Play Index):

He is also one of 27 forwards with 45 goals and 110 assists over the last three seasons. In that span, he has three fewer points than Henrik Zetterberg, and four fewer points than Derek Stepan.

With those caveats out of the way, Jokinen set a career high in assists with 42, which happened to coincide with a career high in ice time per game at 18:17. He also ranked seventh in the NHL last year in assist rate at 1.57 per 60 minutes among regular forwards. For reference, to that point in his career, his rate was 1.13. While he was also at 1.62 in his first year with Florida, I find it hard to believe that a player that has been around as long as he has simply found a new gear to his game.

It will depend on his ADP, but I think Jokinen hit his high-water mark last year. He won’t crater like I think Plekanec might, but he won’t maintain or surpass his 2015-2016 marks.  

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Marc-Edouard Vlasic

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It’s easier to envision defencemen having a higher rate of secondary assists than forwards just because of the flow of the game; a d-man outlets to a forward, he rushes in, then a rebound or a pass later, and it’s a second assist for the defenceman. Vlasic, however, had two-thirds of his five-on-five assists come in a secondary fashion last year (12/18), and that’s high. In fact, over the previous three years, the number was exactly half (13/26). So when Vlasic sets a career high in five-on-five assists at 18, there should be cause for concern.

The indicators of regression don’t stop at just the rate of secondary assists, though. Vlasic’s IAP was a career-high at 32.1-percent, helping lead to a career-high IPP of 42.9-percent. Also, the Sharks shot over 10.2-percent when he was on the ice, after his previous career-high was 8.5-percent. These are all reasons why Vlasic set a personal best with 39 points last year despite playing just 67 games.

There are a few saving graces here for Vlasic. First, as mentioned, he missed 15 games last year. He also had his highest ice time per game since the 2008-2009 season. Should he play over 23 minutes a game again next year, and a full season, it will mitigate the almost certain drop in production.

I think where drafters may run into problems during draft season is seeing his 39 points in 67 games last year, and thinking Vlasic is nearly a lock for 40 points. This is a mistake. With across-the-board declines among several indicators, expecting anything more than he did last year will probably lead to lost value.

Kevin Klein

Over the past three seasons, Klein has a higher points/minute rate than names like Justin Faulk, Keith Yandle, and Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Weird, huh?

Last year was particularly bananas, b-a-n-a-n-a-s, as Klein finished top-20 among d-men in points per minute, ahead of guys like Torey Krug and Dougie Hamilton. As always, just about anything can happen in a single season.

The thing is, a lot of Klein’s production last year came from secondary assists, and that’s a big problem. Of his 13 five-on-five assists, just two of them were primary. That means 11 of his 20 five-on-five points were secondary assists, and that’s not going to be conducive to production next year.

Klein isn’t a name that most fantasy leaguers would worry about outside of deep leagues, or perhaps ones that reward blocked shots. With that said, those that would draft him are probably hoping that he’ll land in the 25-30 point range again. Blocking shots is nice, but being able to chip in with some meaningful number of points is what provides real fantasy value. I would not rely on 25 points from him next year.

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Came across an interesting tweet yesterday…

The article, for those that don’t intend to read it, states that there was essentially a plan to limit his starts last year but he was hurt. Price played in nine of the first 11 games for Montreal before his injury really started to plague him.

Now, just some quick math, but playing nine out of every 11 games means a 67 start season. Obviously they could have rested him more frequently as the season wore on, but a 67-start pace isn’t “limiting” by any means.

If we take this at face value, and assume Price is only around 60 starts this year, that may give some good value to Al Montoya. If the Habs play their standard “first to two goals wins” defence next year as they have for a few years now, Montoya could put up some decent ratios.

At the very least, for those drafting Price this year, Montoya should be your fourth goalie. Handcuffing a goalie that is just coming off an injury isn’t a bad idea in general, but you may get more value out of that pick than many other backups around the league.

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The closer we get to draft season, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the more comfortable I’m starting to get with Frederik Andersen as a second goalie on my fantasy teams.

Yes, the concerns about the Leafs defence corps are valid. That said, the forward group will be pretty good, and every five-man unit should be among the most well-structured in the league. The defensive numbers improved dramatically from Rowdy Randy Carlyle’s teams to the one Mike Babcock iced last year, and there’s no real reason to think why they won’t be even better next year.

Expectations should probably be tempered, but the more I’ve gone through my projections next year, the better Andersen is looking as a mid-tier goalie next year. We’ll see. 

*Additional stats from Hockey Reference

8 Comments

  1. Striker 2016-08-11 at 07:57

    I don’t think determining a players ability to generate points is as complicated as people want to make it out to be. None of my pools break primary assists & secondary assists down, all assists are worth the same amount of points & to be frank I could care less if secondary assists are random. The NHL chooses to give out these soft points. I have no problem with a secondary assist being awarded on a tick tack toe play but I would far prefer the NHL use the European standard where secondary assists don’t just come down to the last 2 players to touch the puck after the goal is scored but I digress.

    A players ability to generate points is really very simple. His abilities, talent, skill set; what ever you wish to call it, coupled with line mates, TOI/GP & PP TOI/GP will help you determine a players ability to produce points factoring in his age for determining his stage of development. I use my 80 20 rule & age really doesn’t factor in specifically if all of the above criteria are being met except age. see the Sedin’s, Datsyuk, etc. Meet all criteria but age.

    80% of players follow a standard development model. It takes forwards about 200 games to reach their breakthrough point in the NHL regardless of age it’s based on when you start playing in the NHL. This usually takes 3 to 6 years depending upon how quickly they arrive in the NHL & the opportunity their team has for them to advance. Defensemen & what I call the monster forwards 6’3″+ or 225 lbs+ take about 400 games or 5 to 8 years.

    20% deviate from this rule being either better faster or on the downside never become the players they were supposed to be or worse never make it at all. Usually most can be explained as the process to achieve the needs listed above are met faster. Some teams have given their high draft picks an immediate opportunity to contribute both in icetime, in all situations & with linemates. For every McKinnon, Duchene, Hall, etc. the 20%, there are dozens & dozens that have to pay their dues, bide their time & wait for their opportunities to open up playing behind veterans.

    This has started to evolve since the introduction of the cap as teams need to inject youth faster due to CBA cap issues; ELC bonus monies essentially being meaningless in cap dollars unless you exceed the cap in real dollars, where it carrys forward as penalties into the following season. There also appears to be a trend developing where it’s taking some players longer to breakthrough although the sample size is still to small to say it’s fact. See, B. Schenn as an example.

    I like any hockey freak have been following stats in all forms as made available since almost inception & I find it all very interesting but most of this stuff is malarkey. Some of it has value but a bunch of it is utter crap & can’t be extrapolated in any meaningful way nor does it really help project the stats we use in our various fantasy leagues or hockey pools.

    I drafted Jokinen last season in 2 of my 3 fantasy leagues, early, these are 240 keeper leagues; high 2nd round picks, he finished 11th for LW’s in our leagues. He was protected in the other as LW’s carry a significant premium over C’s. I also drafted him in 3 of my pick em pools. The reasons were simple & I discarded age as all other criteria appeared to be applicable. I had him as the #2 LW in Florida with Bjugstad at C & Smith at RW before the season started. This actually was the line until Bjugstad got injured & Trocheck stole his job replacing Bjugstad on that line. This gave Jokinen far better linemates both 5 on 5 & on the 2nd PP unit. I assumed similar production to his last season in Pittsburgh.

    This ties into Plekanec for next season. I don’t see any decline in Plekanec’s production coming regardless of age & although I wouldn’t draft him for more than 50 points either I would bet the over if I had to. Montreal still has very little C depth to challenge him & the overall quality of Montreal’s top 6 is improved with the additions of Radulov & Shaw making it harder for opposing teams to shut down 2 lines where as last season Montreal due to injuries; Gallagher missing 29 games, & very little scoring depth with Julien’s desire to move Galchenyuk to C pushing Desharnais to #3 C. Plekanec had some serious scoring droughts last season & the revolving RW situation & lack of talent is a significant factor in those droughts. Montreal was just to easy to shut down last season.

    Galchenyuk was already receiving better power play time than Plekanec, although Plekanec edged out Gelchenyuk nominally last season, Galchenyuk had more PP TOI/GP in both the prior seasons than Plekanec. I will be happily drafting Plekanec in the 50 real life point range come draft day & assume he will get more than 1 PPG & 0 SHG’s next season which pay bonus points in our system & expect a premium as he could easily push 60 real life points. He was the 44th best C in our format, which in a 20 team league dressing 3 C’s each week has him as a solid #3 starter with upside based on last seasons production.

    • Michael Clifford 2016-08-11 at 11:13

      It’s not that fantasy leagues break down primary/secondary assists (I haven’t seen one that does). The importance of looking at first/second assist rates is to determine whether or not a player is likely to repeat their performance, improve upon it, or decline. That’s the whole point of doing fantasy hockey projections. With no year-over-year correlation for secondary assists, looking at players with high rates in this area helps identify a likely decline in assists. I agree with your points on TOI, which is why I referenced it several times in the Ramblings. 

  2. Frank 2016-08-11 at 07:58

    Draisaitl… Have him in a keeper league I’ve won 2 years in a row. Should I keep him long term or try to sell high (I did with Vlasic) before the season begins ? Does your “avoid drafting” advice is for one-year settings only ?

    • Michael Clifford 2016-08-11 at 11:09

      “Sell High” always depends on the return. If you can get back a top-50 player? Absolutely. Beyond that, I still like Draisaitl a fair amount in a keeper league, it’s just that I think he’ll be over-drafted this year in one-year leagues. 

  3. Cory 2016-08-11 at 13:29

    Love this sort of analysis – the numbers don’t lie, we just need to be able to properly read what they’re saying.

    And I can’t disagree with Striker more. Here’s my personal 80/20 rule:
    80% of fantasy sports is just crunching numbers. Looking in depth at a player’s numerical performance, such as how many points came from first assists and how many came from second assists and building in regression to the mean.
    20% of fantasy sports is paying attention to a player as a person rather than a series of numbers (talent, his teammates, linemates, coach’s comments on deployment, etc.)

    • Striker 2016-08-11 at 23:25

      I could care less as to how their doing as a person. What I care about is winning. Something that happens with an incredible degree of frequency. Have made the top 3 in my pickem pools for over 30 years in any pool, any format, including playoff pools which is no easy task; far to much luck of the draw in playoff pools. Have made it to the playoffs every year in my fantasy leagues; the 2 oldest 23 & 25 years running, won the Presidents trophy 36 out of 48 opportunities, division winner annually; except twice where I entered as a dispersal team; teams quit needed a short term manager until a replacement could be found, been to 17 cup finals, winning 9.

      I’m fairly certain I said that talent, linemates, minutes played, PP minutes played was vital in determining a players abilities to produce points. Given a choice of analytics, old world stats, or the eye test, if I had to pick 2, eye test would be #1 & old world stats; TOI/GP, PP TOI/GP, goals & assists; when scored, would be #2 & analytics nothing more than interesting.

  4. Mark McAuley 2016-08-11 at 18:19

    I think it is safe to expect Draisaitl to experience a significant drop in production. Hall’s gone, McDavid and RNH are locks for the 1st and 2nd lines, he was very streaky last year, he’ll be just 21 when the season starts, and the Oilers have enough depth on the wing, especially with Lucic and Puljijarvi in the lineup now, that they don’t need to move him to W when they know he’d make an excellent 3rd line center instead.
    I have him pegged for 0.52 points-per-game centering Maroon and Yakupov with some time on the 2nd powerplay unit. If the Oilers’ forwards manage to stay healthier this season, especially RNH, I’d be shocked to see him produce more than 40 points. The X factor is what could happen if he and Yakupov gel. This will be Yakupov’s 5th season and if he played so well alongside Derek Roy, he could finally do some damage with Draisaitl as his center.
    In hindsight, Edmonton might have been wise to have traded their #3 pick in 2014 for a top 2 defenseman. Draisaitl for Larsson would have been a better trade.

    • Dobber 2016-08-11 at 19:16

      I don’t think that’s safe at all, but I guess you saw that in my Guide. What is safe to expect is an RNH injury. Bank on it!
      So RNH is the third line center now behind Draisaitl.
      There might be a drop for Leon (I have him having an ‘equal’ season to last year) but the drop definitely won’t be ‘significant’

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