Ramblings: Vesey, Roy, Draft prep and more (Aug 15)
Dobber
2016-08-15
Rambling about where Vesey will go, why the Avalanche are better (for fantasy) now and more…
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Welcome to National Jimmy Vesey Day! Or as I like to call it: Monday. (Edit: it has come to my attention that the Sabres actually hold Vesey's rights throughout the day today – he's a free agent tomorrow. So…Happy Jimmy Vesey Eve!)
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I updated the Fantasy Hockey Guide on Sunday. It was my fifth update, just to give you an idea of the frequency (by mid-training camp it becomes daily). This one had my projected goals-for by team article added. I also updated the Draft List so the unrestricted free agents have projections now (at least – the ones I can be sure will land jobs, that is). Thanks again for your support.
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Patrick Roy is an inspirational coach and a smart hockey man. He’s like Randy Carlyle in that sense. But because he pays little attention to playing a possession style (which can be illustrated simply by tracking advanced stats and listening to what they tell you), his winning percentage has dropped year over year. You see this happen with most coaches, except for the truly great ones who have teams with positive possession numbers – be that by design or by accident – such as Mike Babcock, Joel Quenneville and Darryl Sutter. Claude Julien is another example.
I’m not saying that advanced stats are the ‘be all’ and ‘end all’. Those who have read me for a long time know that I’m quite the opposite. I think it’s a tool, but it’s one that needs to be used and can’t be ignored. And the possession style of play is what wins hockey games (and Cups). A lucky run may happen once in a while (what if Colorado ended up winning the Cup that first Roy year?). But don’t bet on it.
Coaches who ignore possession (and by extension fancy stats) will often have one great season to kick things off, but it’s followed by steady declines. Carlyle is the perfect example of this. Anaheim has a weak team this year, so I’m tempted to say they’ll be out of the playoffs. But Carlyle is ‘that type’. Whatever style of game he employs I think it will work for the first year, and it will be enough. But then you’ll see the decline in 2017-18.
Whoever ends up coaching the Avalanche, I think it puts them into contention to make the playoffs now. Prior to Roy stepping down, I think the Avs were sunk for sure. But now…man, I think this helps in terms of both winning and offense. And that helps your fantasy team if you own the likes of Nathan MacKinnon, Matt Duchene, Tyson Barrie (especially him), Gabriel Landeskog and the other stars.
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I got started on a preliminary list for the upcoming fantasy draft (end of September). Yes, this is far earlier than usual but this year I want to be extra prepared. It’s a five-round draft (75 picks) and I have nine draft picks, which I think is an all-time high for me. Furthermore, after my first-round pick (12th overall) I have the other eight picks take place 32nd and beyond. So some late picks that I have to make count. Last year I hit a home run with Gostisbehere at 42. But my picks at 37 (Grimaldi), 51 (Weal) and 65 (Bertuzzi) were not so great. For completion’s sake I’ll tell you my other picks – Talbot at fourth overall and Stralman at 23rd overall. Six picks, three good ones. But my draft was saved by Ghost (and I think Talbot will be this year’s goaltender breakthrough).
It’s never too early to start. My method was to take all the players in Fantrax not already taken and export to excel (over 4000 players). Then I filtered just the goalies and went over each one. Who is worth taking? I consulted the Fantasy Prospects Report, team-by-team. The goalies were easy – I jotted down which round I’d take them in (most of them were the fifth round because the pickings aren’t great). Then I did the same for defensemen. I have set the bar high for these two positions because I’m very deep in them right now, especially on D. It’s the forwards that will be the tough and in-depth analysis. But once I have 100 potential draftees it will be nice to have the list handy so that over the next month I can tweak, remove and/or make notes.
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Another young fringe NHLer who wasn’t going to break through did the smart thing. Drew Shore has signed to play next season in the – you guessed it – Swiss League.
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Today Jimmy Vesey will officially declare himself a free agent. Shortly after that (I’m sure), he’ll sign with his new team. Reports out of Buffalo say that the Sabres were making a last-ditch effort. But I’ve been pretty firm – and unwavering – in my belief that if Vesey wanted max money he’d get it from Nashville and he’d get it from Buffalo. And if he wanted the ‘best situation’ then he’d get it from Nashville and he’d get it from Buffalo. Both teams promised him a spot in the top six (reportedly). So what does that leave? Well, that leaves the secret city that he wanted to play for all along. So I think the Sabres will fall short in their efforts and my guess is that Toronto is where he wanted to play all along. Possibly Boston. But I would be shocked if it were any other team, despite the Chicago and Detroit rumors.
So, from Day 1 (some time in March?) I had him going to the Leafs and if anything I’m more firmly in their camp on this one. We’ll know soon enough!
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Let’s talk some Nikita Kucherov (again). While I am of course confident that the Lightning will sign him and I’m equally confident that he will get north of $6 million per season, I am curious about one thing. And that is – why no offer sheet? I mean, besides the obvious ‘nobody does offer sheets’ thing. In taking a look at the bottom cap teams, we have the following (cap room courtesy of Cap Friendly):
Carolina $16.7 million in cap room.
Calgary $58.0
New Jersey $12.3
Winnipeg $10.0
Edmonton $9.2
Arizona $8.8
Ottawa $8.8
Anaheim $8.7
Buffalo $8.0
Let’s look at this by team. Carolina could use him more than anybody, but Carolina is also the team that is first on my list to move (to Quebec? Another conversation, that). Whether the Hurricanes are in ‘that much’ trouble or not, the fact is that this team won’t go out and offer $6.5 million per season for seven years to Kucherov. I think Tampa matches anything under $7.3 million (beyond that, the compensation increases from a 1st/2nd/3rd to 1st/1st/2nd/3rd). I think you can safely rule out Carolina, unless we’re completely wrong about their financial situation.
Calgary – rule them out. They have their own RFA issues.
New Jersey – I wonder about the Devils. Can you imagine Hall and Kucherov on the Devils? If their payroll wasn’t destroyed for the next five seasons by Travis Zajac ($5.75 per season remember) I would think this would be a great move. Then again, this is a team that took on Marc Savard’s contract to help them stay above the floor so…
Winnipeg and Edmonton – This won’t work for these teams because they have enough young talent that will be pushing that cap up higher and higher over the next couple of years.
Arizona – Ha. Ha.
Ottawa – Once Cody Ceci signs, they will be too close to the cap ceiling to make a play for Kucherov.
Anaheim – They have Rakell and Lindholm to sign so they, too, will be close to the cap ceiling.
Buffalo – Ditto for the Sabres (Ristolainen and Girgensons).
So there you go. Question answered. A team won’t make an offer sheet because none of the teams can actually do so, either because of their own cap situation or because of an internal cap. If anything, I suppose the Devils and the Hurricanes make the best bets. But either of those teams stepping up like that would shock us all.
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Wow – Alexei Krasikov (s/t to Puck Daddy for this one). He’s 20 years old and undrafted, and at 6-3 he’s right in the NHL’s wheelhouse in terms of possible future signings (three or four years down the road). In the meantime, enjoy this save:
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Buffalo holds negotiating right up to and including August 15th.
August 16th is when Vessey becomes a free agent.
Calgary’s cap hit is $58M but their available room is ~$15M
Of your list of teams with cap room to try an offer sheet only Carolina, Calgary, Winnipeg, Arizona and Buffalo have the picks necessary to actually pull off an offer sheet of the magnitude that would extract a guy like Kucherov. Realistically, you probably aren’t getting him unless you go into the $7M+ range, which at the very least costs you your top three picks in the upcoming draft. There might only be a dozen players worth tying up $7M long term and giving up three picks for in a league where cheap young talent has become so important. As good as Kucherov is, I don’t know that he’s on that list.
Agreed. He’s right on the cusp of that list though, and given his age he might be worth the money more than a proven guy who actually makes that list. Over $7.3 million costs two 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd . I think that’s worthwhile
Off topic; your projections for Marner (both in rankings section and guide) are waaaaaaaaaay too high. He won’t play more than a couple of games in the NHL this year (if any). This guy nailed it:
http://thehockeywriters.com/marner-leafs-hockey-gameplay/
I kind of agree with you, I’ve been pushing people away from Marner this year for the last few months. But when it came to Guide time…after really looking at it, I started seeing things differently. He’d stay for nine games…then he’d stay for 32 games or so (like Duclair with the Rangers) and then join the WJC.
Then I got to thinking – he’s going to be too good. If that happens, then this is what happens
And I moved forward with that in mind. So I don’t deny your point. It’s one of those 51% this, 49% that – and no grey area. I can’t be a coward and give him 39 games and 25 points.
The writer’s points are valid, but he does not explore the points “for” him staying.
Key Factor – Marner is NOT eligible to play in the AHL. So he’ll go to the little kid’s league (to him) and play against pylons (to him) in the OHL, racking up 200+ points in a waste of a season
So the Leafs will definitely keep him up for nine games. I think he’ll then prove that he’s worthy of staying beyond that. He’s not going to get much bigger, so the size argument doesn’t wash. Maybe 10 pounds over the next five years? I just don’t see much growth.
Agree he’s completely outgrown the CHL; it was the size and roster spot arguments that did it for me. He’s going to be great, just not this year. Him and Nylander have similar upside this year (if I’m wrong and Marner makes it), but Nylander is way safer to make the team. Cheers
Of course Nylander makes it.
Yeah, my top argument was the depth up front and the damage his arrival will cause to a good prospect who is right at that age where he’d run out of chances. Hyman, for example, deserves a real shot. If he doesn’t make it because of Marner…will he get a shot next year when he’s 25? No. So he loses an NHL opportunity partly because they rush Marner.
But in the end Babcock is a guy who won’t send him to junior if he’s a great player. So that convinced me. Size issues don’t mean a lot to me in this case because like I said – he’s not going to bulk up a lot more. He’s naturally small, like Kane
I just looked it over in the Guide – I have Marner’s odds of making the team at 65%. So yes, I have a projection of 56 points – and if he makes the team he’ll get within 5 points of that. But if he doesn’t make the team, then obviously his projection is 0.
I think I have him covered, if the reader knows how to read my charts correctly (and let me know if there is something I can do to help make them more clear)
Understood; I thought maybe you’re formula for projected pts included statistical odds of making the team (i.e. 56 pts x 0.65 = 36 pts). So in reading this I guess that if Rychel’s 70% chance of making the team materializes itself; he’ll only get 25 pts. Thx for clarification
“I also updated the Draft List ”
Ok, so how come when I download it, it just says “This document will be ready on August 1st”?
I purchased it last week, and I thought it was just late coming out, but apparently not?
No, it was released on time Cory. And updated once or twice too. Try clearing your cache, or better yet – use a different browser and download it again
I don’t know. I tried both those things and I’m still getting the pre August 1st version.
It really really looks to me like the version of the file available for download (at least available to me) is the older version.
I guess I’ll try it tonight from my home computer and see what I get.
Let me know. I just downloaded it myself and got the proper updated one, so I can’t recreate your issue. I’ve also not heard about this from anyone else (and I would have heard 100 complaints by now haha)
Just re downloaded it. Works fine