Ramblings: Pens/Ducks Move On, Tanner Pearson Signs, Bishop in Dallas – May 11
Michael Clifford
2017-05-10
Penguins and Ducks, Tanner Pearson signs in Los Angeles, and Ben Bishop is traded to Dallas.
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Pittsburgh-Washington
Despite an early flurry from the Caps, the first period was probably Pittsburgh’s best since going up 3-1 in the series. That isn’t saying much, but they had Evgeni Malkin in alone once, Carter Rowney had a decent chance, as did Sidney Crosby. Washington hit the post on the power play, and had a breakaway of their own, but considering the flow of play for most of this series, Pittsburgh looked good.
An even second period saw the tie broken by Bryan Rust as he finished off a pretty passing play after a turnover by Washington at their own blue line. It was a nice shot by Rust, too:
Big game Bryan Rust gives the Penguins a 1-0 lead in Game 7 pic.twitter.com/ojGBessqex
— Pete Blackburn (@PeteBlackburn) May 11, 2017
Patric Hornqvist doubled the lead just past the four-minute mark of the third period on a beautiful backhand past Braden Holtby. The netminder got a piece, but not enough:
Hornqvist backhands one past Holtby and it’s 2-0 pic.twitter.com/SiAcJGV3t2
— Pete Blackburn (@PeteBlackburn) May 11, 2017
That would be all Pittsburgh would need to advance to the Eastern Conference Final. Not to go unmentioned, but Marc-André Fleury was incredible in this game, finishing with the shutout on 29 shots. He was great for most of the series as well. Their series with Ottawa begins on Saturday.
There will be lots to write about with regards to Washington in the coming days, weeks, and months. One small note, and it is stating the obvious, but this was a coming-out party of sorts for Andre Burakovsky. He should be in the team’s top-six consistently next year, and is primed for a breakout season.
As an aside fantasy-wise, I know the injuries and health problems have been plentiful for Olli Maatta, but that is someone that needs to find another level for the Penguins next year. They are going to have a lot of turnover on the blue line this summer, and he would presumably be the heir-apparent to Kris Letang when the star defenceman inevitably gets injured (not that I would ever wish it on someone, it’s just a factor when looking at his career). He will likely be undervalued in drafts, and will be worth a gamble as a bench spot in the later rounds. He needs to show better than he has so far in 2016-17, however.
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Not sure if Malkin was trolling or not, but posting this about 20 minutes after the game ended was hilarious nonetheless:
— Евгений Малкин (@malkin71_) May 11, 2017
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Edmonton-Anaheim
Just over 3:30 into the game, Shea Theodore tried to cut in front of his net with the puck. Unfortunately for him, Drake Caggiula was right then, and push the puck into the net, and Theodore into John Gibson. It gave the road team a much-needed early goal in this deciding Game Seven.
Anaheim tied the game roughly nine minutes into the second period on a jam play by Mr. Ironman, Andrew Cogliano. Not for nothing, but his streak of consecutive games played is incredible in the modern era – he hasn’t missed a game in his career, a full 10 seasons – and something that should be celebrated a bit more. Anaheim was rolling for most of this period against Edmonton, and the Oilers were fortunate to escape with a tie.
Nick Ritchie would give the Ducks the lead early in the third period, and the team never looked back, winning the game 2-1, and the series. Despite a quick start and a late push, this game was mostly in Anaheim's control. Their series with Nashville starts on Friday.
The future is bright in Edmonton, obviously. Oscar Klefbom should have impressed everyone these playoffs. He won't get the headlines like some other players will, but he should be high-ish on fantasy draft boards next year. The blue liner appears locked in to the top PP quarterback role, and is underratedly excellent at both ends of the ice.
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For Neil Parker’s slant on the Stars acquiring Ben Bishop, just click here.
The Dallas Stars traded for Bishop on Tuesday night in an attempt to solidify their goaltending. Oddly enough, it wasn’t necessarily their goaltending that sank their 2016-17 season. Their team five-on-five save percentage was .919, just below Calgary’s .920, and ahead of Boston’s .913 (both playoff teams, you’ll note). That isn’t to say it can’t, or shouldn’t, be improved, just that other factors like injuries and poor team defence were significant reasons why the team failed.
Aging curves are a fickle thing. They’re better-used to describe clusters of players rather than individuals – Dany Heatley fell off the map in his early 30s, while Joe Thornton and Jaromir Jagr are still very effective at an advanced age, yet the former is more likely than the latter. All the same, I recommend reading through this tweet thread from Nick Mercadente, a writer for Hockey Graphs, and his thoughts on Bishop moving forward:
Yes. He played through his goalie peak performance. Which is historically 26-29 give or take. He's beyond that. Like most, steep decline. https://t.co/z13SVga87m
— Nick Mercadante (@NMercad) May 9, 2017
This is similar in nature to what Claire Austin wrote about for In goal a couple of years ago with regards to goaltenders and aging. I recommend that article as well.
Simply put, by and large, goaltenders, with a few exceptions, don’t age well past their Age 30 season. Bishop will be 31 in November.
Over the last four campaigns, Bishop’s five-on-five save percentage, according to Corsica, is basically mid-pack (18th out of 39 goalies with 5000+ minutes played). His rate (.927) is the same as Brian Elliott, and slightly above Frederik Andersen. He is also 18th out of those 39 goalies in high-danger save percentage, which is a good indicator of a goalie’s future performance.
This is where we run into a problem. Dallas’s team defence, at least as traditionally described, is awful. Again, per Corsica, they gave up the fifth-most scoring chances per minute last year. Even if we figure a lot of that was injuries, they were third-worst the year before. Teams can get by with league-average goaltending, which is probably all Dallas is looking for here. But if Bishop is league-average, and on a poor defensive team, there isn’t much hope of a stellar fantasy season here. Allowing a lot of shots on a league-average goalie will lead to an inflated goals against average. That also necessarily includes a save percentage somewhere between .915-.919.
Perhaps the Dallas defence improves considerably next year. They do have Julius Honka and Esa Lindell likely playing larger roles. John Klingberg and Dan Hamhuis should still be stellar enough. They can improve. Will they? I wouldn’t bank on it
If we have a league-average goalie, or even slightly above, on a poor defensive team, the ratios won’t be enough to support a great fantasy season. It all depends on league settings, but relying on Bishop to be more than a top-20 goalie in standard roto leagues next year, assuming he signs with Dallas, is misguided.
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Los Angeles locked up Tanner Pearson for four years with a contract totalling $15-million. He is coming off a season that saw a career-high 24 goals and 44 points, and will be turning 25 in August.
Going into the 2016-17 season, Pearson was a career 12.7 percent shooter, and he shot 12.8 percent over his 80 games. Any notion that the 24 goals was some sort of aberration due to lucky shooting is immediately incorrect. The question then becomes: what is his upside for fantasy?
Additional ice time helped Pearson a lot as he went from under 14:30 per game in 2015-16 to 16:29 this past campaign. What is even more encouraging is that he greatly increased his shots per 60 minutes at five-on-five, from a three-year average of 7.16 to a career-high 8.87. That moved him from just inside the top 45 percent of forwards in that regard, to just outside the top 15 percent. That is an important, and marked, improvement.
I wrote about how Los Angeles had a problem shooting a lot, but not necessarily generating a lot of scoring chances. That wasn’t the problem for Pearson, as his individual scoring chances per 60 minutes at five-on-five last year (3.23) was in line with what he did the year before (3.22), and for his career (3.17). While Pearson did generate more shots, they weren’t wasted shots, as the rate of scoring chances remained consistent. The graphic below, taken from Corsica, shows that he’s in good company league-wide in generating scoring chances (far-right column):
Working under the assumption that we have a player we should be able to rely upon for about 25 goals and 200 shots, the question is if he can fill the other side of the fantasy production equation: assists. Given the team he’s playing on, it’s a concern.
There is evidence that Pearson is an above-average passer, at least in terms of being able to find teammates in good shooting positions from good passing positions. There is this work from NHL Numbers using Ryan Stimson’s (and his team’s) passing data at Hockey Graphs for Dangerous Shot Contributions (I very much recommend reading that article if you haven’t for further discussion), and also shot assist rates from 2015-16 from Sean Tierney, again using the same set of data. The article explaining the data is here. Please read both.
To get to the point, Pearson has shown abilities to not only find teammates in dangerous shooting positions, but to be able to do it often. That should lead to a higher rate of assists than the 20 he had last year moving forward, especially if the expectation is bounce-back seasons from both Anze Kopitar and Tyler Toffoli.
Can Pearson be an elite fantasy producer? Almost certainly not. Jeff Carter is one of the most consistent goal scorers of this generation and he’s capped at around 60-65 points. Can Pearson improve on last year? Absolutely, and if the team around him rebounds in their shot conversion rates, a 55-point season is not out of the question.
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I’m expecting Schultz to remain in Pittsburgh next season and remain the heir-apparent to Letang injuries.
I’m not so sure. They have like eight roster spots to fill and < $15M to do it. A couple of guys in the minors can step up but it seems to me signing Schultz will handcuff them a lot. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.
MAF salary will be off the books before the expansion draft; perhaps salary comes back in a veteran goalie as part of that trade or buy out, if not Pit still needs a back up for Murray, lets say 3 to 4 million saved, a player will be lost in expansion as currently constructed. I assume that will be Cole, Hagelin or Hornqvist; I assume Hornqvist will be the 4th protector at forward but with only 1 year to UFA status perhaps not, If Cole then another 2.1 saved.
The only RFA contract of consequence is Schultz & I can’t see them getting him signed this time for any less than 4.5 for 5 years.
Pittsburgh has cap issues even with MAF & Cole off the books. If the lose Cole in expansion, Daley, & Hainsey, as a UFA’s more salary will need to be spent there to plug the holes created. They aren’t letting Schultz go as well, especially with Letang good for 55 to 60 games a year at best.
How many more concussions are Crosby & Letang going to take before saying enough’s enough? Are these 2 players even going to remember their names when they the hit 55? I choose that threshold as I turn 55 in Sept & have had numerous concussions & the brain is faltering because of such.
As striker mentioned, they have about $18 million in cap space, when you factor in Fleury gone and the cap going up a little. I expect Schultz to sign for less money than people expect. Dude simply loves playing in Pittsburgh and I think he’s going to take a discount to stay. I’m ballparking ~4 million cap hit for him.
Works for me 4, 4.5 for 3 to 5 years.
There currently is no heir for Letang. He has 5 years left on his contract as does Maatta. Way to far out to determine who that player is going to be their not even on the roster yet. In the meantime Schultz will assume his 1st line PP minutes when ever absent & Maatta a good portion of his ES minutes. Neither of these other 2 Dman are going any where for a long time, their top 4 slots most likely with Dumoulin secure. Schultz will be resigned, all 3 will be protected for expansion, the question is does Pittsburgh use the 8 skater or 7, 3, 1 formula? I assume the 8 skater protecting Dumoulin as well. The next question then is who’s lost Hagelin or Hornqvist.
Mike. I have made the same comments regarding Dallas’s goaltending for years. This is a terrible defensive team both at D & forward defensively. If Bishop is signed unless Dallas makes some significant changes in personal especially at D Bishop won’t have success in Dallas. Expecting young Dman; Dallas’s entire D but Hamhuis is young, to play solid defensive minutes in the NHL is a serious gamble. I have no concerns about Lindell but Honka may need some serious adjustment time nor are Johns, Oleksiak or Nemeth ready for the roles they are being asked to play & 1 of these 3 D will be lost in expansion.
Hagelin is barely an NHLer. No way a GM considers taking him even for free. Hornqvist is protected, I can’t figure out a scenario where they don’t – I agree they go the 7-3-1 route, and even under that method there’s barely seven worthwhile forwards worth protecting.
The Pens will probably lose Pouliot. Schultz is automatically protected because he’s not under contract for next year and is ineligible – they just need to delay signing him until after the draft.
Schultz is an RFA & required to be protected or he will be lost. He isn’t ineligible. He would be if a UFA although Vegas has a window to negotiate with UFA’s & if signed in that window counts as a selection from that team who’s roster they are signed off. UFA’s although exempt are still rostered until midnight June 30th to the team who their contract just expired with.
Pittsburgh as currently constructed baring trades pre expansion draft will protect 8 skaters as they need to protect Letang, Schultz, Maatta & Dumoulin. The forwards will be Crosby, Malkin, Kessel & 1 other.
I’ve read the rules (again) this morning from two different sources. Players must be under contract for 2017-18. That’s the wording. If you have a different source you could point to, I sure would appreciate it.
Schultz is not automatically protected. What you may be referencing to is the rule that each team must expose at least 2 forwards and 1 defenseman who have played at least 40 games this season, or 70 games from the last 2 seasons *and* must be under contract for next season. It’s reason why Carolina signed Dahlback. Without signing Dahlback, Carolina would have had to expose Faulk as he was the only other defenseman eligible. Probably also explains why they played Dahlback so much.
Right idea, wrong example. Dahlbeck played 71 games in 2015-16. Yes it was the reason he was resigned but not the reason he played 43 games last season. There are numerous players that meet your criteria perfectly the signings of such players started about a month ago. Normally these players wouldn’t even be considered until training cap or later to be signed but with expansion looming they need to be signed now so teams can meet the exposure requirement & have a player that might be able to play for a potential asset lost.
I’m looking for direct sources to point you to.
At the minimum, there is this http://sinbin.vegas/the-one-troubling-expansion-draft-rule/
Which shows that both RFA and UFA players can be selected. If Vegas signs a UFA or RFA from a team in their 48 hour negotiating window prior to the expansion draft, that counts as their selection from that team.
Schultz is not automatically protected.
Thank you Ryan, this is the most informative article yet on the subject. Still murky, but definitely clear about RFA’s being eligible. so now they have to do the 8-1 rule and protect Schultz, meaning Hornqvist gets shaken loose.
so the question becomes – would Vegas need or shy away from Hornqvist’s cap hit? If they need it to reach a minimum, then they take him. If they already hit the minimum, then they take the cheap upside in Pouliot imo
I disagree here as well. Hornqvist will have far more value in trade than Pouliot has to Vegas. Pouliot may not even have an NHL future. Pittsburgh couldn’t give him away this year. He was drafted 5 years ago this summer & hasn’t shown he can grasp his defensive responsibility sufficiently to play in Pittsburgh & they lost more than 1/2 their D to injures & went outside the organization to address these short term needs. He is a suspect now not a prospect.
If Hornqvist is even available Vegas takes him & looks to trade him sometime between now & next seasons trade deadline. The return will be far better than anything Pouliot brings.
Vegas doesn’t even have to hit the floor. They will have no cap issues in any way & no concerns about spending money. They will select the asset that gives them the best return either to the team today or in trade moving forward. If Vegas was so inclined they have the financial where withal to spend to the cap. I don’t see that happening but they aren’t shying away from Hornqvist’s 4.25 cap hit of 4.75 actually salary. Post expansion he could return a 1st round pick & decent prospect potentially from another team. If the pick is reduced the quality of the prospect increases & is a way better prospect than Pouliot will ever be.
Regardless of what fantasy owners think, the Penguins still believe in Pouliot and they weren’t trying to dangle him. His value is higher than Hornqvist’s because he has no big cap hit weighing him down like an anchor. It still surprises me how much people struggle to weigh in the value of contract – the Pens (or Vegas) couldn’t trade Hornqvist without taking a similar contract back. Furthermore, if the rest of their picks put them in a good contract window – the Hornqvist’s big contract would blow that out of the water.
Meanwhile’ Pouliot’s QO contract could be completely buried in the AHL if he doesn’t work out. He just turned 23 and was an 8th overall pick. Vegas is getting 30 new players – many won’t be on their roster. So they’ll be taking some homerun, boom-or-bust swings.
Re: trade value: At 23 there was still plenty of interest from other teams on Stefan Elliott and Brandon Gormley, to use recent ‘bust’ examples.
Anyway, no sense in arguing unless you have a time machine. Hornqvist will be chosen if it fits the cap criteria. If not, it will be Pouliot. And there is a cap criteria that they must meet: in the expansion draft Players selected for the Expansion team must have a total cap hit value of between 60% ($43,800,000) and 100% ($73,000,000) of the 2016-17 salary cap ceiling.
Vegas will be well over 43.8 million when the season starts. McPhee won’t gamble, building an expansion team isn’t about what value the players Vegas drafts today have to them but what they can flip them for in trade in the near future to help Vegas long term.
In Sept of 2015 Gromley was swapped for Elliott. Elliott then went unclaimed on waivers & was the traded to Nashville for Bartley. Elliott left for the KHL last summer. Gormley moved around for 3 used jock straps & 4 new pucks. Now playing in Binghampton.
Pouliot won’t be selected from Pittsburgh unless Vegas is paid to select him avoiding someone else. far better options. Pouliot has 1 more chance in the NHL maybe but apparently that’s not in Pittsburgh & certainly not Vegas. Cole would have more value both now & in trade even at next seasons trade deadline.
I know the trade history, man. Do you think I’d reply to you without looking that up first? They were traded at the age of 25. My point was that at 23 (before it was clear that they sucked) they had plenty of suitors, as would Pouliot.
The expansion draft is when Vegas needs to hit 43.8 million. And they can’t flip a $4+ million Hornqvist without taking at least a $3+ million back. Most teams wouldn’t give them much. They could trade Pouliot (but would rather take that homerun swing) for more. It’s Salary Cap 101 – class is Monday nights at 7pm, you should sign up! ;)
I have no idea what you may or may not have checked but they weren’t traded at 25 but 22 for a bag of pucks, each other. Gormley is 25 today turned 25 in February, Elliott is 26 today turned 26 in January, they were essential given away at 22 in the Sept of 2015. Both were younger than Pouliot is today.
Why would Vegas have to take back salary if they were able to select Hornqvist if even available, he is worth every penny of his 4.25 & as we approach next seasons trade deadline he will be even owed less & flipping him for a decent pick a walk in the park or maybe he likes it there & resigns. 30 years old, 20 goal scorers that stand in front of the net, take a beating, can skate & play with anyone don’t grow on tree’s.
Why won’t Pittsburgh just protect Hornqvist as their 4th forward like I suggested? Who are they protecting over him?
Hey I could easily be wrong but I’m not touching Pouliot unless for free, just like Elliott & Gormley. Both traded for the other teams mistake. Meaningless & neither will see the light of day in the NHL again. I’m not ready to stick a fork in Pouliot but no longer a prospect but a suspect. Few NHL Dman make the NHL 5 years after being drafted having only gotten 67 NHL games over that time frame. Elliott was drafted in 2009 played in 84, Gormley 2010 played in 58. A great reference point by you though as this is who Pouliot appears to be. Nobody.
Dude, you were the one who said Horn would be exposed. I didn’t agree – until Ryan gave me the RFA link. You said something like “can’t decide if Hagelin or Horn”, remember?
I’m not touching Pouliot either. We are in agreement about him, you don’t have to sell me. We’ve always been in agreement about him. But this isn’t fantasy hockey. An 8th overall pick with a 1% chance of being a star can be a worthwhile gamble and at that cap hit it’s better to gamble than to lug a $4 million player over and “hope” to trade him for something better.
I checked Elliott’s age, not Gormley’s. My mistake. Elliott was 24, would have gotten more for him at 23 for sure.
I believe most NHL defensemen make the NHL at 23. I don’t get seriously concerned unless they fail at that age.
Sorry Dobber. I get lost in the various chat groups. I thought I had said in that thread I would protect Hornqvist. Should have reread the thread. I certainly have else where.
If I’m Pittsburgh I protect Hornqvist baring a trade even with only 1 year to UFA status. Anyone else of consequence really doesn’t matter if lost; Hagelin, does Rust or Lundvist matter? & or is exempt, Guentzel & Sheary. I guess letting Hornqvist potentially get selected would help the cap issues for next season & Sprong maybe able to assume some of that ice time.
I can’t believe we are even debating the likes of Gromley, Elliott & Pouliot. Pointless really but I’m still confused on the age thing not that it really matters. If they were traded in September of 2015 wouldn’t that have made Gormley 22 & Elliott 23 at point of trade turning 23 & 24 in the following January & February respectively. Ha-ha!
As always love the material. Well done gentlemen.
I could see them doing 7-3-1 and trading their first round pick to protect a 4th D. I think Vegas would accept that.
For the purposes of being exposed in the expansion draft as forwards or Dman they must be signed but not goalies. A goalie only requires a qualifying offer. Players being RFA’s being protected don’t need to be signed nor will many be.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592
my point wasn’t that Maatta will take over for Letang when Letang is in the lineup, it’s whether Maatta can take over for Letang when he’s not in the lineup, and considering he’s missed one-third of PIT’s regular season games over the last six years (seriously), Maatta can be a relevant fantasy option if that is indeed the case
Nor did I imply such. Maatta taking over for Letang when in the line up. Nor will he replace Letang’s offensive minutes, that will again fall to Schultz, although following the expansion draft & with the added development his offensive opportunities should slowly be increased.
I like Maatta. He showed in his rookie year if deployed in an offensive role there is some offensive skill there. 9 goals & 29 points, 3 goals & 6 points on the PP playing on the 2nd PP unit but primarily due to Letang & Martin missing significant games to injury that season. He also put up solid points for London in the AHL.
He just hasn’t been given that opportunity the last 2 season in the NHL. Like most young Dman he is being worked in slowly being asked to learn his defensive responsibilities 1st.
Having just turned 22 & only having 220 NHL regular season games under his belt he’s still at least 2 years away from showing what his NHL future holds for him. I see him as a top 3 based on what we know today maybe top 2 by 25 or 26.